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Hilary is a contender, I believe.

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I'm really confused with Hilary. I've been meaning to read up on her to be able to form an opinion and answer questions like this. Right now I don't know what to think. I understand that her husband had some very conservative, Republican ideas and that he was quite to the right of many typical democrats. Is this true for Hilary then?


I would like to know why she is harshly viewed by such a large percent of the population. Is it her mannerisms? Her aggressive tone? I just don't think Americans like strong, vocal women. Frankly, they hate them.

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maybe it's just me, but Hillary strikes me as a candidate who has a very strong opinion (and one that i agree with) on one issue (health care), but on everything else either only sort of has a view or doesn't care at all or, worse, has been given an opinion by others.

that could be way off, though. mostly it's the vibe i get watching her in debates

i'm as liberal as they come, and right now i'd vote for Romney over Hillary (but Obama over both of them)

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Obama, really? I'm not sure about him. I'm not sold yet.

Question for you on Hilary. Does she have her own convictions and drive to fight for what she genuinely believes in or is she a puppet, acting out someone else's aggenda? I really need to read up on her.



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I reread your post and see that you think she does not have the conviction other than health care and you state she is repeating others opinions. Sorry i should have read more carefully. (trying to work and post at the same time [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] )

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i like him. he strikes me as ballsy, but not in a stupid, Kusinich way. also, he seems to have a strong sense of history. a friend of mine was in Selma when Obama and Hillary were there for the anniversary of Bloody Sunday and he said Obama was genuinely thrilled to meet one of the semi-obscure members of the Civil Rights Movement, the type of person who doesn't make the short version of events, but is known to people who've studied it. he then escorted her (she's like 95 now) across the bridge. that's worth a lot in my book.

he also studied Constitutional Law, which is something we probably can't say for the current President

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i don't know for sure, but beyond health care, i don't really get a feeling that she's acting on her own aggenda

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I recently saw something on this topic. They were saying that Europe and Asian countries are more accepting of a female leader than America. Now why is that? Do you guys believe it is true because I do. I'm not sure even I want a female president. I think it has to do with my strong dislike for female authority figures. I hate them. I don't like female bosses, principals, superintendents, CEOs, that Kathleen Blanco governor in Louisiana...etc.

I am prejudiced [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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hillary vs obama

i love this video

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it's probably just an off-shoot of the fact that the US is pretty far behind the rest of the world when it comes to social change, something that probably stems from having such a long history of a fundamental Christianity ethos.

it seems to me that any time you've got a country with a strong religious heritage, be it Catholic or Protestant or Muslim or whatever, the impetus for change is going to be fought tooth and nail, and that applies to sexual morays and treatment of minorities and, well, almost anything.

there's probably a strong section of this country that would never vote for a woman--any woman--and that's just stupid, but it's the country we live in

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Hilary is a contender, I believe.

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She's far too hated by the Republicans to ever make it. Of any woman, she would be one of the ones with the fewest chances, I'd think.

Also, she has become SO politically correct that she has lost whatever character she originally had. I used to hate on the Hillary bashers, and they well deserved it for the awful and extraorindarily negative hate-industry they created around her pretty much from the get-go. Now, I still hate on them for being such unregenerate total douchebags, but find myself having problems of my own with her not because of the magical satanic powers ascribed to her, but because she has taken politics so thoroughly into her nature that she is a prime example of standing for nothing anywhere near so much as getting and staying elected. It's very hard to see anyone so shamelessly kowtowing to every possible poll as having any core integrity any longer.

As to other women, America is going to be electing white males for a very long time to come. The people on the coasts might consider alternatives, but they don't have the numbers and can't fight the religious right, which has way too many tie-ins with archaic religious, racial, and social ideas. The only thing that could turn that all around is the growing influence of the Latino influx; but they tend to turn more conservative after a single generation and are already primed to vote along religious conservative lines because of their overwhelming Catholicism.

So far, whites have not been good at representing their own political interests at the voting booth, choosing to be by and large single-issue voters going to the booths simply for religious reasons. The question is whether the incoming Latino population, which tends to be far less educated, will buck that trend. There's more than ample reason to suggest they will not. At most, they might elect a non-white man, but probably not a black one, as there is plenty of prejudice against blacks in the Latino community. A woman? No, I'd guess. They're too traditional a people and have a more tribal, rule-of-men than rule-of-law historical background.

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I have no idea who has a good chance of being the next president. It seems like the people who stand a good chance to make it out of the primaries don't stand a good chance of getting elected, and the people who stand the best chances of getting elected probably won't make it out of the primaries.

On the Republican side, we have Mitt Romney in the first category, and then we have Rudy and McCain in the second. Ron Paul, unfortunately, is a pretty big dog in either scenario. I'm warming to Libertarian ideas, but I don't think the rest of the country is. For the Dems, it seems like Hillary and Edwards are in the first category and Obama is in the second.

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Could America elect a female president? Sure, why not? Could America elect Hillary? Different question.

Anyone who thinks she's a Bill clone, she's not. Although I was not a Bill fan, he's the kind of guy you'd like as a neighbor, have him over for a beer, shoot the bull, tell jokes, etc. With Hillary, there's something cold and dark in her soul. I don't completely eliminate the possibility of voting for her, a great deal depends on the Republican nominee, but I would do so reluctantly, for I just don't trust her. The exerpts fron Carl Bernstein's new book on her only confirm everything I fear about her, she's got a mean, nasty, authoritarian streak in her, and anyone who's relentlessly pursued power as much as she has for 35 years probably ought to be kept away from it.

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I think you're right about Obama. Democrats will be ready to elect a black man long before the rest of the country will. And I think the right would elect Fidel Castro before they'd elect Hillary. Edwards has probably made little impression on the average democrat besides being known for a helluva haircut.

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They hate her THAT much? If that's the case the democrats should seriously consider if she's a good choice for their candidate. Sounds like she is a horrible choice.



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Edwards has probably made little impression on the average democrat besides being known for a helluva haircut.



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A helluva haircut and a great big phony smile! That guy can go from serious to smiling in a heartbeat. I think it works against him. Someone needs to tell him that it doesn't make us like him any better.

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You're right. Most people wont vote for Hilary but against her opposition. I hope she doesn't get a nomination. I'd vote for a woman, but she'd have to be in line with all my political views.

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I'm ready for a female president as long as she's qualified and not a total whackjob like Hillary. Personally I wish an asteroid would fall out of the sky and land on the whole bunch of potential candidates we've got would all so we could start over with new ones. Hillary, Obama, Edwards, McCain, Giuliani...they're all total nutjobs.

BTW, I saw Edwards speak a couple of days ago. Ugh!

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I think you're right about Obama. Democrats will be ready to elect a black man long before the rest of the country will. And I think the right would elect Fidel Castro before they'd elect Hillary. Edwards has probably made little impression on the average democrat besides being known for a helluva haircut.

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Actually, I think you just disagreed w/ me about Obama, although I'm having second thoughts myself. I think I should maybe swap what categories Edwards and Obama are in. Edwards may be more electable because fewer people hate him, but he's probably not going anywhere because he doesn't make much of an impression.

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Mr. Mom gave my answer in the first sentence. Our opinions stray after that.

Frankly I believe the U.S. could elect a woman. Repubs were fond of Maggie Thatcher and some of us are old enough to remember Golda Meir.

But Hilary? Gott in Himmel, if that bitch ever is handed the reins of power, 2012 and the end of time couldn't come soon enough for me.

Edit: I'll take 1. Ron Paul 2. Whomever the Libertarians run 3. Fred Thompson 4. Rudy; Googol Hilary. If she and I were the last two people on earth and I was dying anyway.

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I think you're right about Obama. Democrats will be ready to elect a black man long before the rest of the country will. And I think the right would elect Fidel Castro before they'd elect Hillary. Edwards has probably made little impression on the average democrat besides being known for a helluva haircut.

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Actually, I think you just disagreed w/ me about Obama, although I'm having second thoughts myself. I think I should maybe swap what categories Edwards and Obama are in. Edwards may be more electable because fewer people hate him, but he's probably not going anywhere because he doesn't make much of an impression.

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What I meant was that Hillary and Edwards are more likely to become president than Obama, but Obama could possibly get the nomination of his party. I think a black man's power could MAYBE get him the top spot in the Democratic party(but even that's a pretty big stretch), but it wouldn't be anywhere near enough to elect him.

At least, not until Al Sharpton comes down with tongue cancer.

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Please God, if you exist...do right by us.

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And I think the right would elect Fidel Castro before they'd elect Hillary.

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They hate her THAT much? If that's the case the democrats should seriously consider if she's a good choice for their candidate. Sounds like she is a horrible choice.





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The Democrats have a problem on their hands. Their top three candidates are a woman (whom a very large portion of the population hates like the plague), a black man, and a haircut.

I don't want this to be taken the wrong way, though it probably will be. A white woman will win the red states before a black man will, and there was a fair amount of support for Colin Powell in the red states. The Democratic nominee will be Hilary. Obama would need a huge swell at the convention for the Dem machine to put him up.

Rudy will probably win the Repubs, on the strength of his 9/11 theme. Although Fred Thompson does put a wrinkle in Rudy's plans. McCain, though a war hero, is too much a maverick to be trusted by the Repub machine, he's burned them too many times before. He's out.

Kerry had a better chance of winning than the Democrats do this time around. Unless every single blue area voter gets out. Because the red states will definitely hit the polls to beat Hilary.

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If Dems want to win for sure it would be Gore/Obama 2008
But Obama/Clark or Obama/Bayh or Obama/Warner would probably be good to.

Hillary is FUBAR if she wins. Thompson will beat her.

I think most of america is reayd to move past the Bush/Clinton dynastys. Knowing the Dem party though..thye will choose Hillary as their nominee.

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A bit OT, but if Obama gets the nomination,he'll get my vote. Not cause I know anything about him, but because he doesn't seem to bad and isn't a repub. Also, can anyone forward me good info on Obama's poly views, sinc i will prolly end up voting for him?

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Yup. Hillary will do more for the Republican turn-out than anything but another war possibly could.

I also think Hillary will be the most likely candidate. But she'll almost certainly lose. Really, the election is the Republicans' to lose this time. Only if they really mess it up will they not get elected.

The Democratic party has done too little to groom anyone but Hillary. The Republicans have been grooming Giuliani for a long time, and of course the perennial McCain is there to fall back on. I don't see either losing to Hillary. Probably even Fred Thompson has good odds against her. The Democratic side has no depth at all in their candidates when it comes to established public perception. Obama's out because he's black, Hillary's out because she's both a woman AND because she's Hillary, and their fallback plan is ... Edwards? Most people don't know anything about him. He certainly has gathered no gravitas thus far. He's not even old and gruff, unlike Fred Thompson. He's pretty, for gawdsakes. Electing him would be like electing Orlando Bloom. The Dems are pretty much forced to pick Hillary, who is a guaranteed loss.

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The Republicans do not fear Obama. They do fear Hilary.

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Yes, and that's weird, because Dubya has no juice at all left with the Republicans. His endorsement as outgoing two-termer is like the kiss of death. I can't think of a faction of the right he hasn't [censored] on.

But at the same time the Repubs are golden compared to the Democrats. As you say, if they'd done anything but sit back and watch the clock waiting for Hilary's turn to come around, they might have a shot. They seriously misjudged the extent of Hilary hate/fear in this country imo.

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Yup. I have heard some folks saying she's thought to "deserve" the nomination. But whether that's true or not, or why, doesn't really matter. Giving her her just desserts, if that's what this is partially about, doesn't have anything to do with winning elections.

The Dems just seem to be totally at a loss as to what to do in practical terms.

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This whole debate is moot. As some of you know, and europe too, with the electoral college, our votes don't really matter, unless, you live in Ohio.

The mathematics of the electoral college, plus the fact that just about every state in the union have elected the same way for the past two hundred years, makes Ohio the only state that matters.

But as we have learned in the 2000 election, if one of the presidents can "force" a state to flip flop (florida), then we would not have to worry about Ohio's opinion. Oh, by the way, Ohio did vote Republican in 2000, and probably voted dem in 2004, but that state was probably stolen as well. Looks less suspicious in the end, so, officially, it voted republican.

So the question is..... Is Ohio ready for a female President?

no.

The Republican opinion probably has little to about Hillary's appeal.

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Which opens the door very wide for that white knight in shiny armor to swoop in after all the mudslinging and save the day for the dems. Go Gore!

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I think the dems are really expecting Al Gore to run - if he does, I'll probably switch my vote from Rudy to Gore.

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republicans dont fear anyone on dem ticket,BC america isnt ready to elect a woman or a black man, majority of men will not vote for hilary, and a majority of everyone will not vote for a black guy with the middle name of hussein.

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A:) Neither rudy nor McCain will ever get elected as the Rep nominee. It will either be Romney or Thompson with Fred the most likely nominee.

B:) Obama can beat both of them fairly easily if he runs a good campaign given this is a change election.

C:) If get the nomination he will select Obama as his VP...and the election is essentially over.

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You seem very optimistic about where America is at racially. If it's there at all, I think it's mostly in the big cities, and even then, mostly on the coasts. That leaves most of the country out. We're a long way from the point at which a black guy can "fairly easily" beat white guys.

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Would a female or minority president ever be a realistic possibility with the electoral college? Seriously. Maybe, and I mean MAYBE, in a hundred years we might see this but not now, not today.

edit: Just read davet's post, sorry for repeat.

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I think she'd have to have three t*ts or something to get elected.

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You seem very optimistic about where America is at racially. If it's there at all, I think it's mostly in the big cities, and even then, mostly on the coasts. That leaves most of the country out. We're a long way from the point at which a black guy can "fairly easily" beat white guys.

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The whole Obama can't win cuz he's black is retarded. The majority of the states where the racial factor might prove a problem are states no Democrat will carry.

A woman is a much bigger problem than a black man. Especially given the hate for Hillary + the fact she is dull and old news.

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No we are not. Ohio is very conservative.

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You seem very optimistic about where America is at racially. If it's there at all, I think it's mostly in the big cities, and even then, mostly on the coasts. That leaves most of the country out. We're a long way from the point at which a black guy can "fairly easily" beat white guys.

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The whole Obama can't win cuz he's black is retarded. The majority of the states where the racial factor might prove a problem are states no Democrat will carry.

A woman is a much bigger problem than a black man. Especially given the hate for Hillary + the fact she is dull and old news.

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Just because he can't win because he's black doesn't mean he also can't win just because he's a democrat.

How does this fit in at all with your idea that Obama would "fairly easily" beat what you consider the most likely Republican nominees?

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Because given it is a "change" election it is likely that the winner will be a Democrat. Of all the Dems Obama is the best canidate in a general election...short of Gore.

And Thompson is kind of a joke...so if they choose him as their nominee..which is likely..the only opponent he probably fairs well against is Hillary.

Obama would have a much tougher time vs. Rudy...but pigs will fly before Rudy is elected

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I don't think I agree with the first statement. I think a black man could win, just not sure about Obama. For instance I think Colin Powell could win. Obama's problems may be a lot more than his skin color. I've only seen him speak a couple of times and I think he might have trouble winning people over. He seems somewhat uncomfortable and halting when he speaks.

They say that people pick a candidate in terms of how honest they think the person is. Now I actually like what Obama has to say, I just think that his manner and presentation is a little stiff and forced which could pose a problem for him. I'm wondering if he has that sellability factor.

I agree with your second statement (above). Hillary will be out because she's both a woman and Hillary.

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A:) Neither rudy nor McCain will ever get elected as the Rep nominee.

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Can you explain why you think this, please?

I used to like McCain (several years ago) but now I think he's sounding pretty nutty. I watched some of the debates and I wasn't impressed with him. I think he's acting kind of like a crazy old guy. Reminds me of a nutty grandpa.

Rudy is too conservative for my taste but I have to say that of all the Republican candidates, he speaks the best. He's very commanding and comfortable in front of cameras. Very natural acting.