1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

Blinds are a gross 600-1200 w/ 100 ante. There are about 310 people left - 270 get paid. I'm nursing a stack of about 10,000. UTG, who is also quite short and has been playing quite tight, open-pushes for about 12,000. It folds around to me in the CO. I peak down at 7-7, I...?

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

fooooold. quite easily.

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

fold

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Edit - I had my original stack size wrong. I was down to about 10,000. And its costing me 2800 per orbit.

Also, I should mention that while I play "to win" - this is also my first year at the WSOP - and I really wanted to cash, especially after 12 hours of play... but I don't want that to effect this discussion. a medium pair against a semi-desperate UTG push is not exactly a weak holding...

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

Probably has to be pushing about 44+,A9o+,A8s+,KQs until you can show a real profit from calling. I'd say they probably aren't pushing enough to make it correct to call in this spot.

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

fold. he's not pushing light.

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

fold

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

Fold.

To call, you need QQ+, and maybe AK if you want to gamboool.

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This short, I'm moving in with TT+, AQs+ for sure and probably 99+, AQo+ and perhaps even wider if there's some kind of read about how impatient he looked before he got his cards and how he reacts to his cards. 77 is a fold whatever though I think.

Renodoc, with an M of 3.5, you're seriously folding JJ to a push from a guy with an M of 4?

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Fold.

To call, you need QQ+, and maybe AK if you want to gamboool.

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Joke?

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

fold. much rather push any 2 than call with 77.

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Reads on UTG? I think TT+ is just about right, I maaaaay slim that range down to JJ+ if I'm trying to just cash.

Barry

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

there was a time when I would have definitely agreed with everyone here about this being an easy fold.

Now I'm not so sure. Here's why... Your opponent has an M of just over 4. If he is a solid player, he's probably shoving just about any 2 cards in this spot to get the first in Viggorish- Harrington.

This hand is very range dependent, it really depends on what kind of range your opponent has. But even worse, you have an M of 3, and are near dead.

I think I'd honestly call here, as the villain's range is probably extremely loose. I admit, I hate calling with 77, and with a healthy stack, I would probably avoid it, but you aren't really near the money now. You need to double up to continue, and this may well be the best hand you get dealt in the next 3 orbits before you're knocked out.

Plus you don't want to let your stack get so low, that no one is folding to you when you shove later.

I say make your stand now. I hate calling here, but I think in this spot, you really have to. that's my $0.02

I say "call". If he tables 99+, then it's not your day, better luck next time.

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

I say fold and it's not close. I understand that you might not get dealt better cards in the next few orbits but will have better spots to shove any two with no one else in the pot where your cards do not matter.

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

id rather shove any 2 next spot you can than to call all-in vs a tight utg shove.

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Fold.

To call, you need QQ+, and maybe AK if you want to gamboool.

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Joke?

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Am I that short? Perhaps I misread it.

You can add JJ if you want, but I'd really not want to be calling here at all. I would much rather just get it in first with J2 than call with AQ.

Re: 1500 NL - shortstacked and approaching the bubble
 

i don't think you need QQ+ here necessarily, but I also don't call w/ 77 in this spot, you definitely want to be first into the pot w/77 with your stack size

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Fold, tight live players don't give a crap about things like "Harrington's M" and "First-in vigorish"; if he's been tight you're probably in bad shape here

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Reads. Didn't have much of a read really. He was new to the table - maybe there for about 30 minutes (which is not many hands live), and he seemed pretty tight. Certainly the bad part was that he moved in UTG - a huge sign of strength. He pushed in his chips somewhat confidently. The action folded to me, and I sat back to deliberate... I looked over him, and he was just staring blankly direcly at me. I'm not sure what to make of the direct stare, but I would think aces or kings would somewhat TRY to look disinterested.

Anyway, I play cash games on-line for a living, and am not so used to the patience that is required live. 7-7 was about the greatest thing I had seen in 75 minutes - perhaps that was made me even consider calling.
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Results: I folded. The big blind called quickly. Both players tabled AK, and I would have tripled up (the big blind was a giant stack and clearly would have called even if I called). I don't want the results to blind my judgment though.

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Reads. Didn't have much of a read really. He was new to the table - maybe there for about 30 minutes (which is not many hands live), and he seemed pretty tight. Certainly the bad part was that he moved in UTG - a huge sign of strength. He pushed in his chips somewhat confidently. The action folded to me, and I sat back to deliberate... I looked over him, and he was just staring blankly direcly at me. I'm not sure what to make of the direct stare, but I would think aces or kings would somewhat TRY to look disinterested.

Anyway, I play cash games on-line for a living, and am not so used to the patience that is required live. 7-7 was about the greatest thing I had seen in 75 minutes - perhaps that was made me even consider calling.
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Results: I folded. The big blind called quickly. Both players tabled AK, and I would have tripled up (the big blind was a giant stack and clearly would have called even if I called). I don't want the results to blind my judgment though.

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