Stars vs. Full Tilt - 100NL player looking for a home
 

Ugh. I hate that I have to ask this but circumstances have forced it I guess. I'm a Canadian player who plays 100NL. I have played at Party Poker exclusively for the past few years however, due to the current drama between Party and their affiliates, I have lost my unmentionable ( yeah yeah I know... poor me [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )

Since Neteller is no longer an option thus making it increasingly difficult to move money around, my preference would be to play at one site.

I'd like to hear some opinions on Stars vs. Full Tilt.

Games seem to be a little easier on Stars however there is no RB. Does the game quality and FPPs of Stars make it better than FT with RB.

Plus there constantly seems to be a lot of drama on this board around the security at Full Tilt (which may not be a bad thing).

Opinions? Is there another site I am overlooking? Something smaller like Pokerchamps? Kind of a basic question for you guys who play multiple sites but any assistance would be appreciated.

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I play SH FR and do a lot of bonus whoring, so YMMV, but I don't play much on the big US sites. Nothing wrong with them, I played at Stars during their recent promo and made out quite well. However, we have so many great choices...take advantage! My two favorite homes right now are iPoker and OnGame. Crypto has nice bonuses, but I only play there a little bit, as it's pretty nitty. I clear up a lot of signup bonuses at Microgaming as well.

The biggest downside to most of these sites versus Stars/FT is table selection. If you're a big multi-tabler, it's likely tough to find enough tables at some of the smaller sites. I mostly 1-2 table, 3-4 at the most.

As far as moving money around, it's a piece of cake with Moneybookers and/or Click2Pay, unless you're playing higher stakes.

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I'm not a huge multi-tabler. I usually play 3 or 4 tables at most. When I was a limit player I used to chase bonuses all over the place. Since switching over to NL I find bonuses difficult to clear. Couple that with the loss of Neteller and I kind of lost interest in bouncing from site to site - too much of a hassle.

Years ago I used to play the Cryptos to clear the monthlies but the software was painful - and again switching to NL kind of killed it for me. I'll take a look at the iPoker skins though.

Mostly I want to be able to log on any time of day and have a selection of games to choose from. For this reason I figured Stars or FT would be my best options.

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WPEX

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at NL$100, the rb at FT is the better option... unless you are aupernova at stars, then its very comparable, if not better... just from a money standpoint

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RB is only going to give you an additional 3BB/100 or thereabouts, and I'm pretty sure that the games at Party are soft enough to easily make up that difference.

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If you play enough to get Supernova at Stars (doesn't sound like you do, or at least it would take you 5 or 6 months to get it) then Stars "rakeback" is better than FTP's rakeback at $100NL. If you can at least get Platinum, you're in the same ballbark as FTP but FTP rakeback is a little better. (At $100NL, Platinum is about 22K hands per month).

I play full time at Stars, but I played at FTP for a couple weeks not long ago to clear a reload. I found the games at FTP ($50NL and $100NL full ring) to be more nity but also more straightforeward than Stars. Not as many donkeys and complete fools, but also not as many good regulars making sophisticated plays. The average quality of play is not very different, but I'd say FTP runs closer to the median, not as many really good or really bad players.

Stars support>>>>>>>FTP support.

I used to play Ongame a lot. The games are quite good, however the software is really brutal particularly if you multi-table heavily. And the support is as bad as Party.

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RB is only going to give you an additional 3BB/100 or thereabouts, and I'm pretty sure that the games at Party are soft enough to easily make up that difference.

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I'm definitely considering this as well. I know what my winrate is at Party and I'm not sure I'd be able to replicate it elsewhere. There are some good players but there are far more guys willing to call off their entire stack with top pair. I'm not sure I'd see this with the same frequency at other sites.

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If you play enough to get Supernova at Stars (doesn't sound like you do)

Definitely not. I'm in the 13,000 hand a month range. I own my own business so that takes up the bulk of my time. Poker is more like a hobby that lets me make a few bucks so we can take and extra vacation during the year.

Based on what I'm reading the best choice may be to move to FT or stay at Party. Stars is probably not the best option considering I'm a relatively low volume player.

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I'm definitely considering this as well. I know what my winrate is at Party and I'm not sure I'd be able to replicate it elsewhere. There are some good players but there are far more guys willing to call off their entire stack with top pair. I'm not sure I'd see this with the same frequency at other sites.


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$0.5/$1 NL 6max Pokerstars:

villian KK
hero AA

preflop villian raises 3xBB
hero calls

flop: 283 rainbow

villian tiny bets
hero minraise
villain folds.

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go to party or stars, ftp support sucks, their software sucks, and you can get your money confiscated for no reason. Not to mention bots, check delays, etc.

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I'm definitely considering this as well. I know what my winrate is at Party and I'm not sure I'd be able to replicate it elsewhere. There are some good players but there are far more guys willing to call off their entire stack with top pair. I'm not sure I'd see this with the same frequency at other sites.


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$0.5/$1 NL 6max FullTilt:

villian KK
hero AA

preflop villian raises 3xBB
hero calls

flop: 283 rainbow

villian checks
hero bets small
villain folds.

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I'm definitely considering this as well. I know what my winrate is at Party and I'm not sure I'd be able to replicate it elsewhere. There are some good players but there are far more guys willing to call off their entire stack with top pair. I'm not sure I'd see this with the same frequency at other sites.


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$0.5/$1 NL HU Pokerstars:

villian KK
hero AA

preflop villian raises 3xBB
hero calls

flop: 283 rainbow

villian checks
hero bets small
villain folds.

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I'm definitely considering this as well. I know what my winrate is at Party and I'm not sure I'd be able to replicate it elsewhere. There are some good players but there are far more guys willing to call off their entire stack with top pair. I'm not sure I'd see this with the same frequency at other sites.


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$0.5/$1 NL HU Pokerstars:

villian KK
hero AA

preflop villian raises 3xBB
hero calls

flop: 283 rainbow

villian checks
hero bets small
villain folds.

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this made me lol

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RB is only going to give you an additional 3BB/100 or thereabouts, and I'm pretty sure that the games at Party are soft enough to easily make up that difference.

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thats exactly what i was thinking, if i had the choice now FTP and rakeback which i have or party none. id take party everytime.

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RB is only going to give you an additional 3BB/100 or thereabouts, and I'm pretty sure that the games at Party are soft enough to easily make up that difference.

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thats exactly what i was thinking, if i had the choice now FTP and rakeback which i have or party none. id take party everytime.

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QFMFT. I'm not sure if I'd make the same decision pre-Frist, but now I would definitely go with Party.

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FTP .50/$1 6MAX

HERO w/ AJs
UTG+1
CO
Button
SB
BB

HERO raises to $4
CO calls
BB 3bets to $20
Hero folds
CO calls

Flop comes J/10/2 w/ two clubs

CO bets pot
BB raises pot
CO pushes all in
BB calls

CO shows 44
BB shows KQo



Stars .50/$1 6 max

UTG
UTG+1
CO
Button
SB
Hero w/ AKs

UTG raises to $2
CO calls
Button calls
Hero 3bets to $15
UTG calls
CO calls
Button calls

Flop comes AK2 with two hearts
Hero bets 2/3 pot
UTG calls
CO calls
Button miniraises
Hero pushes all in
UTG calls
CO calls
Button calls

Hero shows AKs
UTG shows AA
CO shows 45 of hearts
Button shows KK

turn comes 7, river comes 9 of hearts.

Re: Stars vs. Full Tilt - 100NL player looking for a home
 

If you're getting RB and working off the $600 signup bonus, you'll be getting pretty close to 50% rakeback. There aren't many bonuses that are better than that. I'm a Canadian and Moneybookers seems to work fine. I've been at FT for a few months and besides the odd lag issues and server issues, I haven't been screwed over yet.

I play drunk too often to be accused of being a bot.

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RB is only going to give you an additional 3BB/100 or thereabouts, and I'm pretty sure that the games at Party are soft enough to easily make up that difference.

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Rb is never worth this much. It is 1ptbb/100 tops.

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3BB/100 or thereabouts,

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Rb is never worth this much. It is 1ptbb/100 tops.

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$2.65/100 over 83000 hands at NL100; $2.85/100 counting the FT store/Ironman as 2% RB.

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One advantage of Stars FPPs vs FTP rb is that you don't need a third party to collect your money.

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I've found FT 100NL 6-max to be absolutely brutal, at least compared to before the Neteller fiasco. Very few fish, every table filled with players with the same SLAGgy stats as me.

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$2.65/100 over 83000 hands at NL100

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= 1.3 PT BB/100

It tickled me that someone suggest BR wasn't worth it as it was only an extra 3 BB/100. I know multi-tabling pros who make a very nice living out of a winrate of <3 PTbb/100.

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RB is only going to give you an additional 3BB/100 or thereabouts, and I'm pretty sure that the games at Party are soft enough to easily make up that difference.

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That is completely insane. The games at Party are pretty similiar to the games at FT in my experience. Sure, SLIGHTLY easier, but nothing like this much. I seriously doubt that the games have been that much easier since pre legislation (no, Party is not that soft still, all the sites got tougher with it)

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"only" 3bb/100. that's a lot. when pros are struggling to make even 5bb/100, a 60% increase in profits is very nice.

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this may be off topic a bit, but if anyone knows, i would appreciate an answer. i have an account at ftp not with RB. i've never actually played there or deposited there. would they let me sign up a new account under rb?

thanks.

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I'm pretty sure if you didn't deposit that you should be okay.

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"only" 3bb/100. that's a lot. when pros are struggling to make even 5bb/100, a 60% increase in profits is very nice.

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Yeh, except it's not 3 ptbb/100, and I doubt RB is even 3 bb/100, does anyone have some reliable figures? I don't have PT here. There're no sites running where the games are 3ptbb/100 harder than any other site though.

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just based on reading this forum fulltilt would be one of the last places I would want to play poker.

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RB is usually 1-1.5PTBB/100, or about 20% extra winrate of a 5PT/100 winner

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Sorry made a mistake and meant ~3BB/100 not PTBBs. But there ARE sites where winrates are 3PTBB/100 higher than other sites.