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http://table-tango.pokerworks.com/20...ind-the-noise/

Looks like after taking nearly a million off Sammy, Townsend couldn't be bothered to take care of the dealer. Bad beat for Linda.

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This is pretty standard in bigger games.

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Maybe she should take a salt tablet.

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[censored] cant even tip the dealer 20 bucks, wtf

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That's a shame. I'm kind of surprised though, BT always came off as an okay guy. Maybe he forgot or something, or maybe he needs the extra $ to fix the tech problems they have over at Cardrunners. Whatever.

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Bellagio is making $200+/hr off them, couldn't they take care of the dealers $25/hr?

Is this so wrong to think?

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Bellagio is making $200+/hr off them, couldn't they take care of the dealers $25/hr?

Is this so wrong to think?

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No, that's not unreasonable at all, in fact you could really say the same about any tipped profession. At the end of the day though, they still only pay you $5 an hour.

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How long will she keep her job, blogging that the high rollers are stiffs, even though it is common knowledge?

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thats pathetic.....its equally frustrating at much lower limits, they get most of their $ from tips.

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How long will she keep her job, blogging that the high rollers are stiffs, even though it is common knowledge?

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You think they'll tip next time after those comments? Griping about being stiffed to someone who's in your own profession and in private is one thing. Telling the world..that's bad etiquette.

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Honestly - If I was Doug Dalton, Linda would have been let go. Whats she is doing is hurting the trust relationship between the Bellagio and it's high rollers. She needs to learn to STFU.

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Honestly - If I was Doug Dalton, Linda would have been let go. Whats she is doing is hurting the trust relationship between the Bellagio and it's high rollers. She needs to learn to STFU.

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Linda has been writing this for quite some time.

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Looks like after taking nearly a million off Sammy,

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Where does it say that?

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Honestly - If I was Doug Dalton, Linda would have been let go. Whats she is doing is hurting the trust relationship between the Bellagio and it's high rollers. She needs to learn to STFU.

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iirc correctly she wrote some piece last year that had to do with not tipping as well. I think Sam Grizzle fit in there somewhere too but might have been a completely different part of her blog entry having nothing to do with tipping.

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Looks like after taking nearly a million off Sammy,

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Where does it say that?

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NVG

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do you really think they have any chips smaller than $100 at the table? what are they gonna do get out their wallets to give her a $20 bill? zzz

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do you really think they have any chips smaller than $100 at the table? what are they gonna do get out their wallets to give her a $20 bill? zzz

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Lamest excuse ever?

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do you really think they have any chips smaller than $100 at the table? what are they gonna do get out their wallets to give her a $20 bill? zzz

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next time i go to a restaurant i am going to stiff them. if they ask why, i will tell them i only have hundred dollar bills, and they can't expect me to be bothered to get change.

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http://news.thomasnet.com/IMT/archiv...eavingTips.jpg

"I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job."

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Honestly - If I was Doug Dalton, Linda would have been let go. Whats she is doing is hurting the trust relationship between the Bellagio and it's high rollers. She needs to learn to STFU.

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Linda has been writing this for quite some time.

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Indeed. I always thought she got away with it with just using first names and sometimes initials.. not explicitly spelling out who it was that did what. But here she quite plainly states that it was Sam Farha. I agree that this could possibly be grounds for being let go.

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Honestly - If I was Doug Dalton, Linda would have been let go. Whats she is doing is hurting the trust relationship between the Bellagio and it's high rollers. She needs to learn to STFU.

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Linda has been writing this for quite some time.

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Indeed. I always thought she got away with it with just using first names and sometimes initials.. not explicitly spelling out who it was that did what. But here she quite plainly states that it was Sam Farha. I agree that this could possibly be grounds for being let go.

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Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly, but this whole situation seems weird to me. Now, let me preface this with saying that I am not a dealer nor do I live in Vegas, so maybe I don't have the same understanding as some of you who are involved with these type of situations day in and day out. However, to me it seems weird if this is (as Photoc wrote in this thread) "...pretty standard in bigger games." Am I to assume that in big games, players normally tip LESS by both percentage during AND amount at the end of a game/session?!? If this is so, why is that the case? I have played small stakes live (100 NL, 200 NL) and people normally tip a couple dollars per pot (some more, others less), but I dont think I've ever seen more than a few hands in a row go untipped. So I dont understand how players that are literally playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars dont tip at all at the end of a session. Maybe this is uber-standard to some of you guys, but I am a noob when it comes to tipping high stakes games, so excuse me for my ignorance if this is actually the case.

Also, in reference to the post that I quoted above, why would this dealer be fired? Because she posted her dealing history on an internet diary?!? Especially after they both stiffed her? If what she wrote is true, then what exactly would she be getting fired for?

In conclusion, I'm sorry if this stuff is apparent to others who are closely tied to the industry and know how all this stuff "works"; but to me, alot that is written in this thread seems slightly ridiculous (probably cause I'm a noob to this stuff) and bothers me a little bit.

Any input is appreciated.

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Honestly - If I was Doug Dalton, Linda would have been let go. Whats she is doing is hurting the trust relationship between the Bellagio and it's high rollers. She needs to learn to STFU.

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Seriously. She has some mighty big balls.

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I certainly sympathize, and have no problems with stiffs being outed for what they are, but I don't think this is the smartest career move on Linda's part. It is pretty unprofessional on her part, even if it might be a little frustrating.

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Today it was Sammy down 2.5 for the trip so he states. BB up 500k, and and one pot for 350k to townsend and I airballed the down for a fat zero.

As I heard today before going in....7 dealers in a row were stiffed in that game.

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Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly, but this whole situation seems weird to me. Now, let me preface this with saying that I am not a dealer nor do I live in Vegas, so maybe I don't have the same understanding as some of you who are involved with these type of situations day in and day out.

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I have a friend that deals in Vegas and he never mentioned it but a mutual friend that deals here locally, told me while LHAO, "X, is out there dealing $1,000-2,000 limit holdem and they tipped him $5 for his down."

WhileI find it unimaginable to be playing that high and stiffing the dealers, I am confident it happens on a regular basis.

In the casino industry you don't talk bad your customers, especially the high rollers. If you can't say something nice, you are much better off, not speaking about high rollers.

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How long will she keep her job, blogging that the high rollers are stiffs, even though it is common knowledge?

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Good question. But she's been bloggin like that for a years.

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A dealer normally makes maybe $20 in tips in a down in a "normal" game?

Just treat it as a glorified dead spread.

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Honestly - If I was Doug Dalton, Linda would have been let go. Whats she is doing is hurting the trust relationship between the Bellagio and it's high rollers. She needs to learn to STFU.

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Strongly disagree.

There is no attorney client privelage here, nor is there any non disclosure agreement between poker dealers and players.

If you want to make an argument that there is an unwritten rule about dealers not discussing said things, a counter argument can be made about an unwritten concerning toking the dealer (which is a pretty well known one).

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ummm. They aren't high roller, they are poker players. A slot machine makes more money for the casinos than these two playing poker at this table. Unless they are big gamblers at other games. Either way, if they didn't tip the dealer who are they going to complain to? Giver her a $100 chip. cheap bastards

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This is pretty standard in bigger games.

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About 15 years ago I was dealing the largest side game during a major tournament in Las Vegas. After putting forth my very best effort, at the end of the down there were only two players who had tipped me. The two players who were thoughtful and considerate enough to tip were Berry Johnston, and a big loud drunken fellow called Franny. By the way, they both tipped more than the minimum and it was definitely appreciated. Thanks again guys.

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Honestly - If I was Doug Dalton, Linda would have been let go. Whats she is doing is hurting the trust relationship between the Bellagio and it's high rollers. She needs to learn to STFU.

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Linda has been writing this for quite some time.

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I should have said "Let go some time ago", this has been going on for too long.

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ummm. They aren't high roller, they are poker players.

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Sammy spreads around a lot of cheese in the Bellagio, not just at the poker table. Its bad for business.

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tip -- no tip. so what.
Every dealer that deals in THE ROOM at the "B" knows what it is going to be like.
at one time they had a forced tip every down. I am not sure if this is still the practice or not.
Tips are no longer tips it seems like. It is now expected from the dealers.
$100 a down WOW. 10 hour day of play, $2000 a day in tips.
4 days of play, $8000 in tips-- get real
Linda I would guess is pulling in 70 to 80 a year. One down and no tip is not going to send her to the street.

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Wrongful termination, party of one! Your tables ready!

As I said in my previous post, there is no privelage or nondisclosure agreement, so she can blog about the players all she wants.

What exactly has been "going on too long"? Telling the truth about people she deals to? There is no libel claim, since she is indeed telling the truth as far as we know.

Whst is the incentive not to disclose details? Unwritten rule? It's a two way street, if that is the case, and if the high limit players choose to go one way, they should fully expect the dealers to go the other.

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This is just wrong. Players have a right not to tip. Dealers have a right to blog about it. End of story. This idea that casinos somehow are entitled to a code of omerta from non-management employees is neither legally nor ethically justified.

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Casinos could care less about right and wrong. Their only concern is stripping the most cash from the suckers at the -ev games. If you bet high enough and aren't an advantage player, you can stand on the table, unzip, and urinate in the chip rack. They'll come over and ask you which gourmet restaurant you'd like to dine at that night. This poker dealers comments could end up costing the casino money in an ever increasingly competetive environment. Although casinos are somewhat protective of their dealers regarding abuse and other circumstances, the bottom line is what ultimately governs a casino's actions.

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I understand this. However she is not in their employ 24/7/365. Clearly she is not allowed to berate the players at the table for not tipping, while she is working. However when she goes home/is not working for them, she is allowed to blog about her experiences and the casino has no right to prevent her from doing so just because "it's bad for business".

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I understand this. However she is not in their employ 24/7/365. Clearly she is not allowed to berate the players at the table for not tipping, while she is working. However when she goes home/is not working for them, she is allowed to blog about her experiences and the casino has no right to prevent her from doing so just because "it's bad for business".

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thats incorrect, she is "disclosing trade secrets", and if this is included in her employment contract (it usually is) then she has abused the employee/employer relationship. There have been numerous court cases brought by Disney, Apple, Microsoft, and countless smaller companies where the employer won after the employee disclosed trade secrets, or even created strife between workers.

She would be free to say whatever she wants if she was let go I assume (unless there is a termination clause that says otherwise, my employment contract makes me not discuss my employer for 1 year as an example), but not while she is an employee.

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This is just wrong. Players have a right not to tip. Dealers have a right to blog about it. End of story. This idea that casinos somehow are entitled to a code of omerta from non-management employees is neither legally nor ethically justified.

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Dealers have the "right" to blog about it? Sure, from a legal standpoint - and Bellagio has the right to fire them if they don't want their employees insulting their best customers. Nothing ethically wrong about her blog, but it's beyond unprofessional.

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TT, I'm new here (lurk mostly) and I respect you and enjoy your posts immensely. But this statement is over the top. There's a huge difference between giving away Coke's secret recipe and reporting the goings-on of a public cardroom. I imagine that the Bellagio would prefer that she not post this info and I get that you find it distasteful. I confess that I don't really care either way beyond thinking that it's kind of chintzy to not tip ever but it seems like you're going too far here.