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Re: tight is right?

is this 6max? If so, I puke

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There's a difference between playing tight and playing one hand an hour. Good god, how do you do this? "Tight is right" means like 16/14, not "OMG I RAISED I HAVE AA".

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i'm curious as to how your stats are this nitty, but you only win 10% at showdown.

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i'm curious as to how your stats are this nitty, but you only win 10% at showdown

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i wish i knew and yes this is 6 max

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i'm curious as to how your stats are this nitty, but you only win 10% at showdown

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i wish i knew and yes this is 6 max

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care to post a few big hands?

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care to post a few big hands?

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here are the big ones

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $34.80
BB: $24.65
UTG: $23.10
Hero (MP): $18.65
CO: $31.25
BTN: $24.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.00, CO calls $1.00, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.00, Hero raises to $3.00, CO calls $2.00

Turn: ($8.35) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.00, Hero calls $3.00

River: ($14.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $12.50, Hero calls all-in for $11.65
Uncalled bet of $0.85 returned to CO

Pot Size: $37.65 ($1.85 Rake)

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $18.40
BB: $10.00
UTG: $10.35
Hero (CO): $17.90
BTN: $39.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $0.50, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.35) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG bets $1.35, Hero raises to $2.70, UTG calls $1.35

River: ($6.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4.00, UTG raises all-in to $7.15, Hero calls $3.15

Pot Size: $21.05 ($1.05 Rake)

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $25.40
BB: $9.40
UTG: $11.35
MP: $44.85
Hero (CO): $18.20
BTN: $10.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, BTN calls $1.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($2.35) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

River: ($5.35) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $2.00, BTN calls $2.00

Pot Size: $9.35 ($0.45 Rake)

Re: tight is right?

Hand 1 - checkraising this flop is bad. You fold out a lot of hands, and it re-opens the betting to get shoved. I probably just lead the flop, c/c turn and river looks like a fold.

Hand 2 - Raise more than minimum, raise to like 6, river is an easy check, a lone king isn't gonna call a bet usually since the flush came in.

Hand 3 - Bet the flop, bet turn more, c/c river is fine.

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I am no expert but you have got to learn to c-bet man.

Hand 1: Lead flop for 1.75/2 and lead turn as well
Hand 2: C-bet flop against 1 opponent
Hand 3: Lead flop for 1.75/2 again

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This makes me cry a little.

1. Please bet the flop. No reason to build a huge pot with a somewhat marginal hand OOP.

2. PF: 1.25. Flop: bet 3/4 pot. Turn: Raise way more.
As played, i probaly just push river given he is so short.

3. Please bet flop. Bet turn. Probaly blocking bet on the river.

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Hand 1: cbet, as you played the flop just check/call. c/c turn, fold river w/o a good read. I don't think checking this flop is a big deal.

Hand 2: cbet, raise the turn more. check behind on the river.

Hand 3: given your stats your opponent probably has you on overs/pp so i think a cbet is good here. bet more on the turn. river is fine, but i would go for ~1/2 pot.

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1. Please bet the flop. No reason to build a huge pot with a somewhat marginal hand OOP.

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i think this is an argument for c/c and trying to get a cheap showdown. however, i would also cbet

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You are under representing you hands.
1)If you going to lead Pre flop with K,Qo from MP and you hit the flop, cbet the flop $2 - and the hand will play completely different.

2)if you're going to raise preflop, raise 4xBB plus limpers. In this case raise to $1.25. then cbet $2. if he calls, you hit your card on the turn, you have a nice pot to get all his chips.

3)Same thing as 1. you need to cbet in this situation $1.85-$2. If he calls then c/c the turn. c/f the river. you are oop with a marginal hand.

If you are going to be a nit, you need to be aggressive with your good hands.

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This is a sample size of 554 hands. That's like 30 minutes for a lot of people around here. With those stats that's what, like 12 showdown hands?

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surprised you don't play on [censored] stars

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This is a sample size of 554 hands. That's like 30 minutes for a lot of people around here. With those stats that's what, like 12 showdown hands?

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And yet, it's so clear that the stats will continue like this if he doesn't fix his game. Did you look at the hands?

OP, please, please ignore the advice of people saying that KQ on a Qxx flop is a good place for a check. Every time you raise, EVERY TIME, you need an excuse NOT to bet the flop. Doesn't matter if you hit, miss, sort of hit, whatever. You need a specific reason to NOT bet.

Also, if you're going to raise you need to not minraise. There's a rare case where I link the minraise is ok, but you aren't in any of them here.

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i agree that he should cbet, but in terms of mistakes, a c/c instead of a cbet is not nearly as bad as c/r instead of c/c in hand 1. also, just out of curiosity, when do you think it's ok to minraise?

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And yet, it's so clear that the stats will continue like this if he doesn't fix his game. Did you look at the hands?

OP, please, please ignore the advice of people saying that KQ on a Qxx flop is a good place for a check. Every time you raise, EVERY TIME, you need an excuse NOT to bet the flop. Doesn't matter if you hit, miss, sort of hit, whatever. You need a specific reason to NOT bet.

Also, if you're going to raise you need to not minraise. There's a rare case where I link the minraise is ok, but you aren't in any of them here.

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but if i get called everytime i cbet then why bother cbetting with air?

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deception. if you don't cbet w/air, no one will call your cbet when you hit-- unless they have a monster. against floaters you just need to be willing to fire again on the turn.

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You need to represent all the time if you are the leading aggressor, if someone keeps calling your cbets, or 3betting your cbets; then make a note, and don't cbet that opponent unless you hit. But always cbet, or you are left in the dark.

Leading KQo from the MP is not a nit either. Depending on the table, I would play KQo from MP 50% of the time. This hand is better played on the CO and BTN.

I would change my strategy and not be such a nit, open your range on the CO and BTN. have your stats look more like 20/15/2.

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in terms of cooze, yes.

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>but if i get called everytime i cbet then why bother cbetting with air?

I get called < 40% of the time and I tend to play 33/25, so no way is it true that they call you every time.

And we don't cbet just for deception. We cbet to show an immediate profit. Deception is a bonus.

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>but if i get called everytime i cbet then why bother cbetting with air?

I get called < 40% of the time and I tend to play 33/25, so no way is it true that they call you every time.

And we don't cbet just for deception. We cbet to show an immediate profit. Deception is a bonus.

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i only slightly exaggerate. i get called around 80% of the time when i cbet. i think it is because of what my player id is

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ummm... sample size much? Still, tight players are like 15 or 16 vpip, not 9. That's gross.

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Jerry,

I was reading, I cbet like 90% of the time especially against one Op, I dont give a crap, one OP he's getting Cbet.

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And yet, it's so clear that the stats will continue like this if he doesn't fix his game. Did you look at the hands?

OP, please, please ignore the advice of people saying that KQ on a Qxx flop is a good place for a check. Every time you raise, EVERY TIME, you need an excuse NOT to bet the flop. Doesn't matter if you hit, miss, sort of hit, whatever. You need a specific reason to NOT bet.

Also, if you're going to raise you need to not minraise. There's a rare case where I link the minraise is ok, but you aren't in any of them here.

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but if i get called everytime i cbet then why bother cbetting with air?

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You are NOT getting called every cbet especially if its one caller.selective memory

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>but if i get called everytime i cbet then why bother cbetting with air?

I get called < 40% of the time and I tend to play 33/25, so no way is it true that they call you every time.

And we don't cbet just for deception. We cbet to show an immediate profit. Deception is a bonus.

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i only slightly exaggerate. i get called around 80% of the time when i cbet. i think it is because of what my player id is

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Really, then your cbets suck, at these limits with one Op my cbet is often POT or near as dammit

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And yet, it's so clear that the stats will continue like this if he doesn't fix his game. Did you look at the hands?

OP, please, please ignore the advice of people saying that KQ on a Qxx flop is a good place for a check. Every time you raise, EVERY TIME, you need an excuse NOT to bet the flop. Doesn't matter if you hit, miss, sort of hit, whatever. You need a specific reason to NOT bet.

Also, if you're going to raise you need to not minraise. There's a rare case where I link the minraise is ok, but you aren't in any of them here.

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but if i get called everytime i cbet then why bother cbetting with air?

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You are NOT getting called every cbet especially if its one caller.selective memory

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i keep a notepad of it dude. i put a 1 for success and a 0 for failure.

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come back after 9000 more hands

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And yet, it's so clear that the stats will continue like this if he doesn't fix his game. Did you look at the hands?

OP, please, please ignore the advice of people saying that KQ on a Qxx flop is a good place for a check. Every time you raise, EVERY TIME, you need an excuse NOT to bet the flop. Doesn't matter if you hit, miss, sort of hit, whatever. You need a specific reason to NOT bet.

Also, if you're going to raise you need to not minraise. There's a rare case where I link the minraise is ok, but you aren't in any of them here.

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but if i get called everytime i cbet then why bother cbetting with air?

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You are NOT getting called every cbet especially if its one caller.selective memory

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i keep a notepad of it dude. i put a 1 for success and a 0 for failure.

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The hands you posted you didnt cbet on one of them? I posted a response in another part of this thread you need to cbet bigger amounts when you do........ $1 into a $3 pot aint cutting it.

I play at FTP at these stakes+ higher and I play the capped games, I cut my teeth on NL here.

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Jerry, this is ridiculous.

1. This sample is over so few hands that trying to draw broad conclusions like "playing tight is no good" is just beyond ridiculous.
2. Your vpip/pfr numbers show you don't understand the concept "tight is right". If 10/8 is your interpretation of tight, you need to totally re-assess your game. Totally.
3. If you are keeping a note every time your cbets are called, then you are focusing on the wrong things and being results orientated. Again, you need a big reassessment of what you are trying to do.

Mate, rip it up and start again. From the ground up. Why aren't you riasing more? What is your positional play like? What is a cbet for? What are your opening ranges? Why is minraising bad? When is a c/r better than a lead?

Your post says to me you haven't asked yourself these basic questions.

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wow just wow.... lmao.

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