Straights and Flushes in Limit Hold \'em
 

I have a question about drawing straights and flushes at micro-limit games. I know it happens a lot, and my only downfall so far has been so much money spent when I have a suited Ax or Kx, and I flop two of the same suit. Probably 5 out of 8 times, I that suit doesn't land on the river, and I've lost about 5 - 7BB. Again, with the straight, I'll have J10, and the 9, 8, 2 will land on the flop. How long should I draw this hand out in the hopes of getting the straight in limit? Should I just rely on pot odds (though I almost always have the pot odds to call, because there are always so many loose-passive players who call initially), or is there a better way? Thanks, and take care.

Cameron

Re: Straights and Flushes in Limit Hold \'em
 

If you have a flush draw or OESD you almost always have the odds to see the river. You are experiencing variance. IBL.

Re: Straights and Flushes in Limit Hold \'em
 

Cameron, you should probably pick up a book such as "Getting Started in Hold'em" that discusses fundamental concepts such as pot odds.

Buzz

Re: Straights and Flushes in Limit Hold \'em
 

over/under on how many posts until someone says that this is why they don't play limit because there's no skill involved = 6

Re: Straights and Flushes in Limit Hold \'em
 

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over/under on how many posts until someone says that this is why they don't play limit because there's no skill involved = 6

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Hmmm I would guess a bunch.... but of course the opposite it true!

Re: Straights and Flushes in Limit Hold \'em
 

That won't stop somebody from saying it

Re: Straights and Flushes in Limit Hold \'em
 

First of all - learn the math of the game.

You said:

I have a suited Ax or Kx, and I flop two of the same suit. Probably 5 out of 8 times, that suit doesn't land on the river

That means that the flush card *does* come in 3 of 8 times, or 37.5% of the time. Since the odds against making your flush by the river is 1.91:1 or 34.6% of the time, you are actually observing the flush come in more often than it should.

You're never going to learn to play well until you learn the basic math.

Re: Straights and Flushes in Limit Hold \'em
 

This will explain it all.

No, not a rickroll.

Re: Straights and Flushes in Limit Hold \'em
 

close enough though........

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This will explain it all.

Worse than a rickroll.

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Re: Straights and Flushes in Limit Hold \'em
 

Keep in mind the nuts. Drawing to a flush with 87s could be a problem when a higher flush is out there.

However, even more of a problem is drawing to a non-nut straight. JT always makes the nut straight. So if you have something like 76, you need to be careful. A board of 8 5 K is a lot better than a board of 9 8 K (remember JT is out there).

As well, pairing the board brings the possibility of a full house which screws both flushes and straights.

As a final note, when you have an OESD and there are two flush cards on the flop, then potentially your 8 outs for the straight could only be really 6 outs because two of the outs could make somebody a flush.

Here is a good book on limit holdem for the internet: http://www.amazon.ca/Internet-Texas-Hold...7752&sr=1-3