why do U have to MINIMUM raise preflop????
 

I hate this. I've been playing alot of pot limit omaha, and the usual no limit holdem cash games. Seems like there's always "THAT GUY" who will minimal raise every single frkn hand preflop. And I do mean EVERY hand. It's so annoying, even if they are small blind or big blind and everyone limps in, ooooh, I think I'll minimum raise just so we can go around one more time. It's pretty annoying and a useless tactic. Might build the pot up, but then someone will usually make a monster reraise and all the limpers don't get a cheap flop and the original minimum raiser usually folds anyways! Stupid shannanigans... if you're going to juice the pot, juice it large, none of this minimal bs. But Alas, you have rights to your stupid moves. This seems to happen more in my pot limit omaha games where all the deadmoney seem to hover to.

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To put players who can't adapt off their game.

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That's why I'm constantly felting those players minimally raising preflop .... right.

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Just min 3-bet him everytime he min raises - problem solved.

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To annoy you, of course. Isn't that how to play against nits - annoy them?

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Wrong forum?

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wa

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That's why I'm constantly felting those players minimally raising preflop .... right.

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That's why you're so frustrated. Right.

Thirty whacks with a wet noodle for contradicting yourself within two posts, and sixty more for absurd use of the ellipsis.

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That's why I'm constantly felting those players minimally raising preflop .... right.

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Boy, I usually get really pissed off when I'm taking money off a certain type of player.

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They like making the Baby Jesus cry.

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I do this alot.

The reason is simple. I am not there to steal blinds or play right. I notice that there is no better way to put your typical internet nit off his game more than turn his 1/2 game into a 2/4. Nothing.

Occasionally, I will be re-raised by a player who has a big hand. That's good. I fold.

Very rarely, one of the nits at the table turns out not to be a nit and starts to play back. That's bad. I will either leave the table or straighten up my act, depending on the lineup.

In the meantime, I'm always looking for the player who has an overreaction to this. He is the guy who is going to pay me, eventually, because he's offended by my supposedly horrible play. Its far more common than the right reaction, which is to 3-bet (or more) me when they have a good but not great holding. Of course, my AA and KK raise look a lot like my J9s or 78s raise as well.

Its sounds like you may be suffering from "flopitis," the irrational need to see cheap flops with marginal holdings.

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Reminded me of a guy I played as I first started out playing online:

"Just call to see the explicative flop", he'd moan every single time somebody raised.

No, we play poker, it is up to you to prove that the way we play is wrong.

Their play must be easily exploitable, but apparently nobody is doing that?

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Actually if when people minimum raise after everyone has limped, and I'm last to act, I just put the timer on and wait another 20 seconds to counter their stupidity. I suggest you all do the same so they stop.

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You want us to believe your consistently taking money from these players, but on the other hand you want us all to band together to stop them. You sir, are an idiot.

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Actually if when people minimum raise after everyone has limped, and I'm last to act, I just put the timer on and wait another 20 seconds to counter their stupidity. I suggest you all do the same so they stop.

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wow, you suck

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Congrats OP on a succession of posts that make you look like a fishy douche.

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I do this alot.

The reason is simple. I am not there to steal blinds or play right. I notice that there is no better way to put your typical internet nit off his game more than turn his 1/2 game into a 2/4. Nothing.

Occasionally, I will be re-raised by a player who has a big hand. That's good. I fold.

Very rarely, one of the nits at the table turns out not to be a nit and starts to play back. That's bad. I will either leave the table or straighten up my act, depending on the lineup.

In the meantime, I'm always looking for the player who has an overreaction to this. He is the guy who is going to pay me, eventually, because he's offended by my supposedly horrible play. Its far more common than the right reaction, which is to 3-bet (or more) me when they have a good but not great holding. Of course, my AA and KK raise look a lot like my J9s or 78s raise as well.

Its sounds like you may be suffering from "flopitis," the irrational need to see cheap flops with marginal holdings.

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WHY did U have to post this, dangit???? Now we're going to have to change our exploit-the-nits strategy! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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It's just retarded when someone keeps minimum raising EVERY SINGLE hand preflop... What's the point really? you're just losing more than you normally would because the people that do it play very very weak post-flop. And there's nothing wrong with seeing lots of flops. BTW, whoever said this is in wrong forum, I only see it occur on the internet. In casinos, there's no one that continually raises minimal every hand preflop. If they did I'm sure they'd get smacked.

But to get back on topic, if everyone limps (especially in pot limit omaha), and you hold a mediocre hand, why are you raising minimum out of position when you know everyone is going to call you anyways? All you are doing is setting yourself to lose more than you initially invested, or lost alot more than you initially invested. Doesn't make any sense to me, maybe that's why people always do it on the internets...

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Wow, Henson! You have a seriously flawed view of the game. I suggest you study more, bitch less.

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The reason is simple. I am not there to steal blinds or play right. I notice that there is no better way to put your typical internet nit off his game more than turn his 1/2 game into a 2/4. Nothing.

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Obviously, if it really throws players (OP) off their game, there might be some merit to this, but you are effectively changing the game from a 100BB 1/2 game to a 50BB 2/4 game where you open-limp every hand. This sounds like a juicy game to me.

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OP-- your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, "Modern Nit". I especially like the idea about almost timing out. It really put me in my place. It makes me tilt, especially when I'm playing 10 tables and could use the extra time.
From now on, I promise, no more mini-raising nits, no matter how profitable. I just can't stand that almost timing out trick out of yours. It's better than the old "I'm rubber, you're glue" move I used to pull in 2nd grade.

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It never throws me off my game, in fact, those that do it seem to get felted more than any other player at the table. You guys are the nits.

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Reminded me of a guy I played as I first started out playing online:

"Just call to see the explicative flop", he'd moan every single time somebody raised.

No, we play poker, it is up to you to prove that the way we play is wrong.

Their play must be easily exploitable, but apparently nobody is doing that?

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I don't think its easily exploitable, as long as you have a stack behind you to get value from implied odds. I don't play recklessly either to re-raises or after the flop.

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When you minimally raise every hand preflop, it tells me three things about you:

1) You played scared

2) You are unsure playing your hand on the flop

3) You are scared to play bigger pots

That, to me, is a nit. Thus, you being a person that minimally raises every hand preflop, is a nit.

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Henson - if you have no problem adapting and it doesn't put you on tilt - wtf are you complaining about?

You said you are felting people easier. Do you want this to stop?!?!

Buffoon.

In reality, it IS making you tilt and you are throwing crass reasoning at why it is a bad idea for people to do it to you!!!

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When you minimally raise every hand preflop, it tells me three things about you:

1) You played scared

2) You are unsure playing your hand on the flop

3) You are scared to play bigger pots

That, to me, is a nit. Thus, you being a person that minimally raises every hand preflop, is a nit.

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Right. That's why I want to subscribe to your newsletter, and why I'm trying to reform myself rather than be subjected to the timing out trick.

And you are quite perceptive. I'm raising, and you are whining about not being able to see your precious flop?. Yet I'm scared and don't know how to play?

By the way, As I was typing this i just felted a guy with a set of As that was tired of my miniraising [censored]. Was that you?

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I don't think its easily exploitable, as long as you have a stack behind you to get value from implied odds. I don't play recklessly either to re-raises or after the flop.

[/ QUOTE ] Once again, if it works against certain opponents, more power to ya and gogogogogogo. It is VERY easy to exploit, though, don't fool yourself. You seem to pay attention to your villain's, though, so if they let you run over them this way, go win moneys.

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I don't think its easily exploitable, as long as you have a stack behind you to get value from implied odds. I don't play recklessly either to re-raises or after the flop.

[/ QUOTE ] Once again, if it works against certain opponents, more power to ya and gogogogogogo. It is VERY easy to exploit, though, don't fool yourself. You seem to pay attention to your villain's, though, so if they let you run over them this way, go win moneys.

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Yes, I agree. And notice in my original post regarding "the parameters" is that if any of the nits aren't nits, I straighten up or leave. You can't do it if every time you put your neck on on the chopping block, somebody chops your head off.

But they don't. They look at my stats and think, just wait till I get a hand......at which time I will refuse to play back unless I do have a hand. i get just as many real hands as anyone else. The advantage is the perception that you are the profit center, splashing around like an idiot.

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It doesn't tilt me, I just find it annoying and a useless strategy. And if you're not 10-tabling like most of you nits, then it makes it an extra 15 seconds at least each round. It adds up after awhile.

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It doesn't tilt me, I just find it annoying and a useless strategy. And if you're not 10-tabling like most of you nits, then it makes it an extra 15 seconds at least each round. It adds up after awhile.

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Yes. It is a quite severe punishment.
Please take me off the newsletter list.
You are just too big of a douche for me to continue this charade.

Thank you for your contributions, both in terms of strategy and finances.

You don't mind if I call deliberately delaying a game in retribution for raising "pulling a henson, or the henson-douche manuever", do you?

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It doesn't tilt me, I just find it annoying and a useless strategy. And if you're not 10-tabling like most of you nits, then it makes it an extra 15 seconds at least each round. It adds up after awhile.

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Yes. It is a quite severe punishment.
Please take me off the newsletter list.
You are just too big of a douche for me to continue this charade.

Thank you for your contributions, both in terms of strategy and finances.

You don't mind if I call deliberately delaying a game in retribution for raising "pulling a henson, or the henson-douche manuever", do you?

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what limits do you play?

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I don't know about him. I play 1/2

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Thank you for your contributions, both in terms of strategy and finances.

You don't mind if I call deliberately delaying a game in retribution for raising "pulling a henson, or the henson-douche manuever", do you?

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Hombre - I'll expect to see the HDM in wikipedia very soon.

Henson - I play a lot of PLO at quite a few sites. Thanks to this thread and my new understanding of Advanced Minraising Strategy (AMS - a future 2+2 book and forum) I will be trying to make it a key element of my game.
When I type "hdm??" during one of your patented delays say "hi Rainbow" so I can be sure it's really you.


Rainbow...

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Chances are it's some high-limit player goofing around and [censored] with your nitty microlimit ass.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

this thread is awesome

I'd post the pic of monkeys flinging poo but that doesnt even cover this

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I can't think of a number geez.

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I remember playing 50c/$1 on party when I first started... I would get so pissed when someone raised at all!
"OMGZZZ YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE FLOP YET YOU ASS CLOWN!!!1"
Glad I have moved up to nl (10c) now.