KQ rr ed pot
 

villan has been aggro, using his button. notice 3 handed. hero has been very aggro, and alot of raising/rring going on.

eh?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.75/$1.50 Blinds - 3 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $219.60
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $306.15</font>
BTN: $305.70

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">BTN raises to $5.25</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $17.00</font>, BTN calls $11.75

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($34.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $20.00</font>, BTN calls $20.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($74.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $54.00</font>, Hero calls $54.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($182.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $214.70</font>, Hero ....

Re: KQ rr ed pot
 

I call this. He may be floating with 99,tens, Jacks, or a worse Q and trying to push you off the best hand. I expect he would raise the flop with AQ,KK,AA. Flush draw missed, too.

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fold i think. most people dont float in rr pots, although id imagine the deeper games play somewhat different than ub does. i think id give up this hand since we basically have a bluff catcher, which kind of defeats the purpose of rring it in the first place.

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I would bet out again on the turn.
there are some players who will Raise/RR light on the flop/PF but will play pretty straight forward on the later streets. Assuming this guy has the capacity to bluff the big streets (which he almost certainly does given your description) It's hard for me to put him on a hand that you lose to.
It's obviously a huge bet, but I think a call is right (although it does feel a bit dirty).
Again, I would only check on the turn/river if you plan on calling his bets (which you probably did until he shoved them all in there). Nothing came on the later streets that would take away the feeling that you're best.

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Looks like a standard call.

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Call, you have underrepped your hand and got him to donk off his stack. Of course sometimes he will have a 2 here [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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Yup I like a call here aswell.

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The deep games are more aggressive, but I don't want to stack here.

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Looks like a standard call.

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I agree.

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I started off to say call the river, and truth be told, I'd likely make the call in a short, aggressive game, but looking at it again, I'm not too comfortable with it. Unless villain really overvalues his one pair hands, your hand is likely to be a bluff catcher. Also, you've been very aggro, and are now slowing down, so he's got to take that into account as well. While you've underrepped your hand to some extent, he's still got to figure that you've got something since you clearly seem to want to get to showdown given your flop and turn line, and he's not getting anything from you if you were on a draw. So, if he's got something marginal that TP beats, I just figure him to check behind.

I would say if he pushed as a bluff, it's a ballsy bluff, but you don't have the odds to call it, IMO. I admit this thinking could be way too weak/tight, but I'm just having a hard time seeing un underpair or top pair with a medium kicker playing it this way.

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folks i disagree. your turn c/c shows a lot of strength. your hand is not underrepped. he doesn't shove here for this much with a busted draw. you are toast imo.

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folks i disagree. your turn c/c shows a lot of strength. your hand is not underrepped. he doesn't shove here for this much with a busted draw. you are toast imo.

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Besides 6's or AQ I can't think of a hand we're behind that plays like this.

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folks i disagree. your turn c/c shows a lot of strength. your hand is not underrepped. he doesn't shove here for this much with a busted draw. you are toast imo.

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Besides 6's or AQ I can't think of a hand we're behind that plays like this.

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AA KK QQ AQ 88 66 22

it's a RR pot he doesn't have to raise a set or overpair on the flop here.

seriously what do you think he thinks we have, and if he has the best hand worse than KQ (QJ let's say), what worse hands from within our range does he expect us to call with? what better hands does he expect us to fold? just seems like a bad place for either a bluff or a value bet with a worse hand than ours.

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why didn't you lead out on the turn? just curious

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folks i disagree. your turn c/c shows a lot of strength. your hand is not underrepped. he doesn't shove here for this much with a busted draw. you are toast imo.

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Besides 6's or AQ I can't think of a hand we're behind that plays like this.

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AA KK QQ AQ 88 66 22

it's a RR pot he doesn't have to raise a set or overpair on the flop here.

seriously what do you think he thinks we have, and if he has the best hand worse than KQ (QJ let's say), what worse hands from within our range does he expect us to call with? what better hands does he expect us to fold? just seems like a bad place for either a bluff or a value bet with a worse hand than ours.

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It looks like we have a vulnerable hand that might fold to a push [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Fold preflop. You will many times get killed calling here with KQ with yet another caller behind you. The problem with the hand is that it is very hard to get away from once you catch youir hand, but you can't bet it with great confidence, because your kicker is less than ideal.

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These games play aggressive, but people aren't stacking off with hands you beat very often.

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i dont know how strong ur reads are on villain, but whenever i play .75/1.50 DS on FTP i notice im playing with the most aggro/bluffy donks EVER (river shoving with all kinds of crap is included)

Also, as you obv know, dont fold pf, 3bet is fine 3 handed esp. to an aggro button raise.

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im really surprised at the comments, i think he has exactly kk+

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im really surprised at the comments, i think he has exactly kk+

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i highly highly highly doubt this is kk/aa

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I think AA/KK is much more likely than 88, 66. I call anyway here. More power to him if he has AA/KK

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im really surprised at the comments, i think he has exactly kk+

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Not 4 betting 3 handed 200bb deep? Or raising the flop?

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im really surprised at the comments, i think he has exactly kk+

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Not 4 betting 3 handed 200bb deep? Or raising the flop?

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It isn't an uncommon line.

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im really surprised at the comments, i think he has exactly kk+

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Not 4 betting 3 handed 200bb deep? Or raising the flop?

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very good if you folded.

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villan has been aggro, using his button. notice 3 handed. hero has been very aggro, and alot of raising/rring going on.

eh?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.75/$1.50 Blinds - 3 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $219.60
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $306.15</font>
BTN: $305.70

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">BTN raises to $5.25</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $17.00</font>, BTN calls $11.75

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($34.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $20.00</font>, BTN calls $20.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($74.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $54.00</font>, Hero calls $54.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($182.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $214.70</font>, Hero ....

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AS played, this is a very clear fold to me. Villain can see what top pair is...and he's not concerned. So, unless you KNOW FOR SURE this guy goes way over the top with junk in the hope of pushing you off your hand, FOLD.

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your turn c/c shows a lot of strength.

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i totally agree with YAD. however, i think in the heat of the hand a lot of people, myself included, dont pause and think about how strong turn c/c is. i think i call though because i hate folding winners.
does anyone like a crai on the turn against a smart villian? i think that looks like a bluff and gets called a lot of the time by underpairs. or is that too FPS even against someone that can hand read.

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I call this. He may be floating with 99,tens, Jacks, or a worse Q and trying to push you off the best hand. I expect he would raise the flop with AQ,KK,AA. Flush draw missed, too.

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nh if you folded, id expect to see KK or AA 90% of the time here. lol at calling being standard and good.

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i called after hesitation. he had 25ss and won. thanks for replies.

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i dont like the 3bet pf.