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An old PP hand;

I limp in MP w/ A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

CO limps, emmy_liz raises the button, blinds fold, me and the CO call.

7.25 SB's

Flop

9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

check, check, emmy bets I raise, CO folds, emmy 3-bets, i call

Turn

4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

check, check (i planned on check raising)

River

A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

bet/3 bet, check/call, or bet/call?


Flop action looks a lot like AK, KK or AA for emmy, with it being slanted heavily towards AK.

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I limp in MP w/ A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]<font color="red">O.K.</font>

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CO limps, emmy_liz raises the button, blinds fold, me and the CO call.

[/ QUOTE ]<font color="red">O.K.</font>

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7.25 SB's

Flop

9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

check, check, emmy bets I raise, CO folds, emmy 3-bets, i call

[/ QUOTE ]<font color="red">O.K.</font>

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Turn

4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

check, check (i planned on check raising)

[/ QUOTE ]<font color="red">O.K. (I would simply bet).</font>

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River

A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

bet/3 bet, check/call, or bet/call?

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<font color="red">bet/3 bet</font>
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Flop action looks a lot like AK, KK or AA for emmy, with it being slanted heavily towards AK.

[/ QUOTE ]<font color="red">If you say so. (I wouldn't).</font>

Buzz

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I bet and three bet the river. I don't see the value of going for a check raise on the turn, but don't have a clue who emmy is, so maybe there is a reason for it.

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An old PP hand;

I limp in MP w/ A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

CO limps, emmy_liz raises the button, blinds fold, me and the CO call.

7.25 SB's

Flop

9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

check, check, emmy bets I raise, CO folds, emmy 3-bets, i call

Turn

4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

check, check (i planned on check raising)

River

A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

bet/3 bet, check/call, or bet/call?


Flop action looks a lot like AK, KK or AA for emmy, with it being slanted heavily towards AK.

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Cap flop
Lead turn
bet/call river possibly check call

Also I raise pf first in if reasonable chance to pick up blinds

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why get all tricky? cap the flop and lead the turn sounds good to me, if she raises the turn I'd slow down.

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Unless emmy_liz is a rock who would only raise preflop with Aces I would bet / 3-bet the river.

I would have bet the turn also.

- chaos

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Bet/call river seems like the best line to me... if emmy checked behind on the turn, is he going to raise on the river with anything less than A9/AA? I think if you get raised you're unlikely to be ahead.

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Is this the same player that usually plays $30-60? If I can recall (haven't played PP in a while), he's definitely one of the better, and more aware players in that game. And, if he raised it preflop and then raised you on the flop. I think he's doing it with AA. But whether it's AA or some other hand, if he's a good player (and I think he is) then that also means that he's capable of much more. I don't think he's doing it with air, but I do think he'd 3-bet you with AA and especially if he's in position. And, I also think that he's going to play it safe from that point on. If you bet, I definitely think he'll call you, but if you check the turn, I think he takes the free card. Plus, if he does hold AA and puts you on Kx, he's really not giving up that much by checking the turn anyway seeing that the flop contained a pair (ie; it's not like he's allowing you to make 2 pair for free).

So, I think you need to play it harder and cap the flop and just lead the turn. You most likely have him drawing slim...the pot is big...bet your hand, forget the checkraise against this guy. Oh, and the river, I think it's close, but becuase the flop was 3-bet and then checked on the turn, MOST of time, from your better players, you are looking at AA. That said, I'm definitely not going to allow for this river to go to 3 bets (maybe 2, bet/call a raise)or check/call. Minus the read, and I would bet/call a raise.

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I struggle to see the value in a bet/3-bet. Dont most players just call here with AK on the river? Seems like you will occasionally get bluff raised on the river, but if 3 bets go in you probably only get money from a worse boat. It's unlikely you are beat by anything except AAA here given villains flop/turn combination, however I think you see AAA here often enough to want to avoid putting in 4-bets here on the river when you are beat. I like bet/call.

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I struggle to see the value in a bet/3-bet. Dont most players just call here with AK on the river? Seems like you will occasionally get bluff raised on the river, but if 3 bets go in you probably only get money from a worse boat. It's unlikely you are beat by anything except AAA here given villains flop/turn combination, however I think you see AAA here often enough to want to avoid putting in 4-bets here on the river when you are beat. I like bet/call.

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I agree with bet/call. A river raise means AA way too often here. And a good player without AA, A9 or KK (which is far less likely now) could never call a 3-bet on the river.

amendment
 

Not knowing emmy, it’s impossible to assess whether or not she would raise the river with anything less than a good full house. (A good full house here would be AA/A99, KK/K99 or A9/A99. A bad full house here would be 44/499, 49/499, or K9/K99. Emmy almost surely would have bet the turn with KK/K99, so that we can pretty much rule that one out.)

We don’t know how many players were dealt cards, or how tight/aggressive/tenacious all the various players involved in the game are. Thus the pre-flop raise could be any number of possible hands.

The bet after this particular flop could also be any number of possible hands or simply a steal attempt.

However, the raise on the flop coupled with the check on the turn looks a lot like a move to get a free river card. And if so, why? Does emmy, possibly holding a pair, or possibly with trip nines, put Hero on trip nines, possibly with an ace kicker? Is emmy possibly looking to make a full house on the river?

If that is the case, and it seems a logical case, then emmy would not raise on the river without making a full house on the river – unless bluffing with the river raise.

If bluffing with the river raise, emmy would fold to Hero’s 3-bet. In this case there would be no advantage to Hero to 3-bet.

If not bluffing with the river raise, emmy would either have AAXY or A9XY. If emmy has AAXY, Hero’s 3-bet would be a disaster. If emmy has A9XY (roughly six times as likely as AAXY), Hero’s 3-bet would scare emmy, but emmy would not likely fold. Not much of an advantage to Hero.

No advantage, disaster, not much of an advantage adds up to bet/call on the river. (If emmy raises on river, Hero is most likely either tied or beaten).

Buzz