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"I am on my laptop so I don't' have any hand histories from yesterday. I ended up down about 240K to Patrik in our HU match. This was our fifth match and I had not been impressed with his play in the previous four. I felt that I really out played him, well this match was different. He played extremely well and I have to give him credit. He countered my strategy and overall game plan well. "

WTF? I don't think brian is great but I know he doesnt' suck. Did he ever wonder why he "outplayed" PA so much. Maybe its cause Brian ran hot and PA ran like crap, not cause he's "not impressive" I think Brian came off the same conceited way just before that 1 million dollar omaha downswing ('I'm top 5 in the world!'). I'm really jealous and hope brian suffers a huge losing streak, as that would make me feel better about myself. I find it hard to believe that one individual is vastly better than all other internet pros who have played longer. I know 2+2 loves brian AND THAT HE IS A SOLID PLAYER, but what are the odds he's soo much better than all the top NLHE players? Lets be real here. I understand TLK being that much better but he had a super high IQ and still lost to Patrick sometimes. Brian comes off as a total douche. I know you guys wont agree cause you have gay love for him. But this is my view.

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I understand TLK being that much better but he had a super high IQ and still lost to Patrick sometimes.

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I thought you were serious until I read this.

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Sbrugby won't respect Patrick until he feels his dick on his back!

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Salazarrrrrrrrrrrr!

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I understand TLK being that much better but he had a super high IQ and still lost to Patrick sometimes.

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I thought you were serious until I read this.

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Explain please. TLK has like 160 IQ, are u saying brian is smarter?

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News just in: Sbrugby pwned by worst hand in poker:

Full Tilt Poker Game #2537358152: Table Pimento (heads up) - $200/$400 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:33:23 ET - 2007/05/29
Seat 1: sbrugby ($47,998.50)
Seat 2: perkyshmerky ($16,999)
sbrugby posts the small blind of $200
perkyshmerky posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
sbrugby raises to $1,200
perkyshmerky calls $800
*** FLOP *** [6c 7c 5d]
perkyshmerky checks
sbrugby bets $1,800
perkyshmerky raises to $3,600
sbrugby calls $1,800
*** TURN *** [6c 7c 5d] [Jd]
perkyshmerky bets $12,199, and is all in
sbrugby calls $12,199
perkyshmerky shows [2s 7s]
sbrugby shows [Kh Js]
*** RIVER *** [6c 7c 5d Jd] [7h]
perkyshmerky shows three of a kind, Sevens
sbrugby shows two pair, Jacks and Sevens
perkyshmerky wins the pot ($33,997.50) with three of a kind, Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $33,998 | Rake $0.50
Board: [6c 7c 5d Jd 7h]
Seat 1: sbrugby (small blind) showed [Kh Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Seat 2: perkyshmerky (big blind) showed [2s 7s] and won ($33,997.50) with three of a kind, Sevens

Re: Brian didn\'t respect PA till he lost 240k?
 

salazarrrrr, are you for real?

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in regards to what. I just don't think its possible for brian to have such a substantial edge on other top pros. it just doesn't make sense. does it make sense to you?

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Stop hating and get a life. You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

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explain how brian is so much better than PA....
lol, you tell me to stop hating and then in the same line tell me to get a life, IRONY, no?

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I understand TLK being that much better but he had a super high IQ and still lost to Patrick sometimes.

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Explain please. TLK has like 160 IQ, are u saying brian is smarter?

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No. I don't know much about brian or TLK as I am not a fanboy of any of this stuff (but do enjoy reading the gossip about busto's) but your statement is plain stupid and as such it made the rest of your post come off as being a big level.

I guess, since you wrote it, it probably wasn't a level and was just stupid. I'm sorry for ever posting in a thread you started.

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The overall point Salazar is making is correct: for all the pros that play the big NL cash games I don't think any one has a substantial edge over a consistent winning regular...running good/bad is still a huge factor aka luck.

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I understand that for most humans, negative attention is better than no attention at all... but wow do you try to hard to get negative attention, Salazar.

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I understand TLK being that much better but he had a super high IQ and still lost to Patrick sometimes.

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I thought you were serious until I read this.

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Explain please. TLK has like 160 IQ, are u saying brian is smarter?

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No. I don't know much about brian or TLK as I am not a fanboy of any of this stuff (but do enjoy reading the gossip about busto's) but your statement is plain stupid and as such it made the rest of your post come off as being a big level.

I guess, since you wrote it, it probably wasn't a level and was just stupid. I'm sorry for ever posting in a thread you started.

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Explain why the comment was stupid? Or are you too stupid to do that....
Mark: Stupid post salazar
Salazar: why?
Mark: Cause you're a stupid poster

Hmmm, very intelligent answer.

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I don't understand.

Brian thinks Patrik didn't play particularly well in their first four heads-up matches...

...and Orlando [censored] Salazar thinks it's because Brian doesn't understand how luck works or how to properly assess his edge?

"LOL"?

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I understand that for most humans, negative attention is better than no attention at all... but wow do you try to hard to get negative attention, Salazar.

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I know any post dissing a 2+2 god attracts negative attention. I'm actually curious about peoples opinions on this matter. I want to know if they really believe Brian is sooo much better than other pros AND why they believe it. That is a fair question for NVG. If people just wanna call me stupid, I'm fine with that. I'm sure someone will make a decent post. If you remember, I made a post asking about CTS and he responed and many people found it interesting. Why would you post to ask me this. I don't want attention from jimmy frike mfers who can only dispute my comments by calling me stupid. But, this is 2+2 and that comes with the territory.

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I don't understand.

Brian thinks Patrik didn't play particularly well in their first four heads-up matches...

...and Orlando [censored] Salazar thinks it's because Brian doesn't understand how luck works or how to properly assess his edge?

"LOL"?

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Thanks for the comment. Yes, I think he may have ran above expecation and doesn't notice what a huge impact it can have on an opponent, if he even notice he was running hot at all. Why do these turn into personal attacks on me though? And dont say because I'm hating on brian. Me hating on brian doesn't give you cause to hate on me for any other reason than how you feel about yourself. If the thread is stupid, just don't post.

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Who is TLK?

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Why do these turn into personal attacks on me though?

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You are Salazar. It is your cross to bear.

Also, your logic is fairly absurd.

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Why do these turn into personal attacks on me though?

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You are Salazar. It is your cross to bear.

Also, your logic is fairly absurd.

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Explain. I thought this was a forum. My logic is absurd. Ok, that just like calling me stupid. But give an example why...if you can't do that, even in attempt to belittle me, then why would you post?
"Hey, you're stupid but I won't explain why cause you're stupid." This is a forum. Elightem me holy high IQ yehova or whatever you people say.

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Who is TLK?

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Tommy Luther King

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Who is TLK?

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Tommy Luther King

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Uhh ohh, stephen is here...
TLK = A sweedish supergenuis who went by the handle "TexasLimitKing" and crushed the LHE 1k/2k game for a while.

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Who is TLK?

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Tommy Luther King

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Uhh ohh, stephen is here...
TLK = A sweedish supergenuis who went by the handle "TexasLimitKing" and crushed the LHE 1k/2k game for a while.

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just joking sallllaaaaaaaazaaaaaar!

I always wanted to do that sir (lol)

~stephen

BTW I think Brian Townsend has abit of an ego as well........

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unpossible

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Elightem me holy high IQ yehova or whatever you people say.

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Did he ever wonder why he "outplayed" PA so much. Maybe its cause Brian ran hot and PA ran like crap, not cause he's "not impressive"

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The fact that you don't think Brian is well aware of this possibility is why your logic is absurd. You don't think Brian has some idea of how to assess the difference between running hot and actual play when evaluating a session?

Frankly, every post of yours in this thread reeks of insecurity and some weird bitterness toward 2+2 and good young players.

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StephenNuts vs. Salazarrrrr deathmatch for rolls plz.

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Not being impressed != saying he sucks.

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StephenNuts vs. Salazarrrrr deathmatch for rolls plz.

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I understand TLK being that much better but he had a super high IQ and still lost to Patrick sometimes.

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Explain please. TLK has like 160 IQ, are u saying brian is smarter?

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Just for the recoed: I find I.Q. dickswinging really lame. That said I doubt you find winning nosebleed stakes players with a lower one.

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Me thinking running well can go unoticed by brian is absurd? Perhaps improbable, but not absurd.

I'm not bitter toward 2+2, but I do hate the small stakes grinders that flame me and blindly worship brian. Lets be real Nath, many (most?) 2+2ers are not good or even winning above 50NL. I'd guess there are about 150 or so (another topic)
Yes, I am insecure about my poker. I don't know why i am still stuck at 400NL when brian just coasted right through and has millions. Notice how I haven't ever dissed CTS or Action Jeff...i can understand how they play as I've railed them. Brian's play just doesn't make sense. I want to either understand him or for him to fail. Perhaps you're a stronger person, but I doubt it. I'm sure you have your own insecurities (like being ugly or fat). They probably manifest themselves in other ways. I vent mine anonymously on a poker forum. I'm totally fine with that.

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"I am on my laptop so I don't' have any hand histories from yesterday. I ended up down about 240K to Patrik in our HU match. This was our fifth match and I had not been impressed with his play in the previous four. I felt that I really out played him, well this match was different. He played extremely well and I have to give him credit. He countered my strategy and overall game plan well. "

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Your title sucks. He never said he didn't respect PA. He said he wasn't impressed with his play in their first four encounters. Maybe there's good reason for this. Until you produce some hand histories from their first four matches showing that Brian is delusional, I'm going to continue to assume that he knows more about what happened and about poker in general than you, SALAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRR.

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Heater , I appreciate the post.

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You don't think Brian has some idea of how to assess the difference between running hot and actual play when evaluating a session?


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I'm not going to join in the flaming, but I will say that I'm definitely not anti-Townsend. However I do think it may be possible that, having been a small stakes player such a short time ago, Brian may have an unrealistic expectation of better than average luck. I'm not saying he isn't a great player, but I DO believe the possibility that he has overestimated his edge in some cases.

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I'm not going to join in the flaming, but I will say that I'm definitely not anti-Townsend. However I do think it may be possible that, having been a small stakes player such a short time ago, Brian may have an unrealistic expectation of better than average luck. I'm not saying he isn't a great player, but I DO believe the possibility that he has overestimated his edge in some cases.

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I understand TLK being that much better but he had a super high IQ and still lost to Patrick sometimes.

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Explain please. TLK has like 160 IQ, are u saying brian is smarter?

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No. I don't know much about brian or TLK as I am not a fanboy of any of this stuff (but do enjoy reading the gossip about busto's) but your statement is plain stupid and as such it made the rest of your post come off as being a big level.

I guess, since you wrote it, it probably wasn't a level and was just stupid. I'm sorry for ever posting in a thread you started.

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Explain why the comment was stupid? Or are you too stupid to do that....
Mark: Stupid post salazar
Salazar: why?
Mark: Cause you're a stupid poster

Hmmm, very intelligent answer.

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/sigh - i really shouldn't get involved but I'm bored.

a) Who is TLk and how do you know he has an IQ of 160?

b) "and still lost to Patrick sometimes. " - Huh? this is the really stupid part. I garuntee you that if I played multiple limit holdem sessions against ANYONE in the world (including PA, TLK and Phil Ivey) I would beat them in at least one session. Does that really mean anything? I'm guessing the best HU limit holdem player in the world is no more than around 60-65% against a winning 10-20 SH limit player. Basically this one part of this one sentence invalids the rest of your post.

c) This is very similar to b but all of the comments your posted in OP really show your lack of understanding of variance.

d) This is similar to b and c - you are stupid.

Actually, you are very good at what you do - post to incite response. I responded and I never respond in these threads. Maybe you aren't as stupid as you initially appear... maybe...

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Why do these turn into personal attacks on me though?

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POTY

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Mark: I'll write an incoherent post with no content on the subject cause I got called stupid and want it to be proven.

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Why do these turn into personal attacks on me though?

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POTY

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In otherwords, I've found someone I like to hate on, so I will. Hmmm...but me hating on brian isn't ok? I think you may have teh gay for brian.

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BTW I think Brian Townsend has abit of an ego as well........

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I would hope if you are a regular in the biggest games the internet offers you would have an "ego". Kinda neccessary, wouldn't you say?

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No!

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News just in: Sbrugby pwned by worst hand in poker:

Full Tilt Poker Game #2537358152: Table Pimento (heads up) - $200/$400 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:33:23 ET - 2007/05/29
Seat 1: sbrugby ($47,998.50)
Seat 2: perkyshmerky ($16,999)
sbrugby posts the small blind of $200
perkyshmerky posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
sbrugby raises to $1,200
perkyshmerky calls $800
*** FLOP *** [6c 7c 5d]
perkyshmerky checks
sbrugby bets $1,800
perkyshmerky raises to $3,600
sbrugby calls $1,800
*** TURN *** [6c 7c 5d] [Jd]
perkyshmerky bets $12,199, and is all in
sbrugby calls $12,199
perkyshmerky shows [2s 7s]
sbrugby shows [Kh Js]
*** RIVER *** [6c 7c 5d Jd] [7h]
perkyshmerky shows three of a kind, Sevens
sbrugby shows two pair, Jacks and Sevens
perkyshmerky wins the pot ($33,997.50) with three of a kind, Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $33,998 | Rake $0.50
Board: [6c 7c 5d Jd 7h]
Seat 1: sbrugby (small blind) showed [Kh Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Seat 2: perkyshmerky (big blind) showed [2s 7s] and won ($33,997.50) with three of a kind, Sevens

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