Should I steal this money?
 

I am completely broke, having as usual lost this week's wages playing online poker. I spent my last £1.50 ($3) on food for Saturday-Monday. I have nothing in the cupboards except a packet of pasta (no butter, oil, garlic, sauce etc). I haven't eaten in 24 hours.

I am currently in an ongoing temporary position as a legal secretary; I've been at the firm since February. A woman just left on Friday, and from today I'm doing her role, with the option of applying for the permament post if I want to.

Looking in the departed lady's drawers, I found a half-packet of biscuits and three small chocolates, which I eat without thought. I also found three sealed envelopes containing small change: £2.50 in five pence pieces, £1.70 in one pence pieces, and £2.30 in two pence pieces. The totals are written on the outsides of the envelopes. So in total there's £6.50 / $13.

Can I take this money to buy myself the food to live on until payday on Friday?

Yes, it would be theft. But she has left the firm and not taken this money with her, so why not? My only worry would be if she came back to say hello to her former colleagues, and remembered / asked about it, but that doesn't seem likely.

If you were starving - albeit through your own fault - would you take it? Or would you try to borrow money from a friend instead?

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Wow, what a stupid story. Take this to BBV where they will rail on you because of the low amount of money involved.

Oh, and take the money and play some poker, since that's been going well.

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It's only a small amount of money, but you should never be dishonest or unethical at your job (especially a job you obviously need). It's not worth the risk. Ask friends or family for a loan, stop being such a stupid degen gambler, and get your life back on track.

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You have to ask?

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You have to ask?

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So that's a "go for it!" ?

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Why don't you spend the money and then pay it back when you get paid on Friday?

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Why don't you spend the money and then pay it back when you get paid on Friday?

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Probably because he'll lose it playing poker thinking he can make some money and pay it back.

Stop being a degenerate and go to gamblers anonymous. to quote NT from the locked sober thread "OOT is not a support group". But it seems like you need one.

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Why don't you spend the money and then pay it back when you get paid on Friday?

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Yes, that seems like a good idea. I would have to get the bank to give it to me in 1ps, 2ps, 5ps though, and in the unlikely event the departed woman came back she'd see I'd opened the envelopes. I think though it is VERY VERY unlikely she will come back - I mean stuff people leave in their desks when they quit a job tends to be stuff they don't care about or expect to see again, right.

Oh I've been to GA in the past, we didn't get on. I had no honest desire to quit. I've also written 10,000 words about being a degenerate in my thread in the Psychology section...

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spend less time jacking off to pics of sbrugby and durrr and actually figure out how to win at penny stakes?

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Never steal anything small. You are risking your career for chump change. Beg on the street until you get enough money for a [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]egenerate: tattoo. Then buy a copy of George Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London. Then Doschevsky's the Gambler.

Some people are not cut out for poker and you are one of them. You are a great poster and you can still post.

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Can I take this money to buy myself the food to live on until payday on Friday?

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I say you can BORROW it until Friday, then you have to pay her back.

And if you're broke, what's with the online playing?

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Jeez dude! You do get yourself in some situations don't you!

My recco is, if u have enough to scare up a bus ticket, give ALKA a ring and he'll more than likely loan you a pony for food.

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how do you not have a credit card is the real question.

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Jeez dude! You do get yourself in some situations don't you!

My recco is, if u have enough to scare up a bus ticket, give ALKA a ring and he'll more than likely loan you a pony for food.

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I've borrowed money from 'Alka' too many times already; I really don't want to ever ask him again. I don't like to borrow from friends, and I count him as a friend. You know, it sucks to call someone up and have a good honeset sincere empathetic conversation, while all the time both of you know you've really called about borrowing money. It is bad for the self-esteem to borrow money and compromise friendships over it; even if you always pay back. So I would much rather take this abandoned small change, this £6.50, than ask a friend for a loan.

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how do you not have a credit card is the real question.

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I have two. One has about $6k of gambling debt on it - a year and a half ago I used it to play on £10/£20, was about $6k in the credit and ended up $6k in the hole. Fortunately with the help of the Citizen's Advice Bureau I got them to freeze it and not require any payments for 18 months.

The other card I have about $700 on, and I can spend $120 on it when a payment goes through on Thursday. Generally though, credit cards are a bad idea for people like me!

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Can I take this money to buy myself the food to live on until payday on Friday?

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I say you can BORROW it until Friday, then you have to pay her back.

And if you're broke, what's with the online playing?

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I'm broke BECAUSE OF the online playing!

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1. Quit poker
2. ????
3. Profit without theft

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Never steal anything small. You are risking your career for chump change. Beg on the street until you get enough money for a [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]egenerate: tattoo. Then buy a copy of George Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London. Then Doschevsky's the Gambler.

Some people are not cut out for poker and you are one of them. You are a great poster and you can still post.

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Thanks - I can see I come across as a natural born loser when it comes to gambling in a classic Freudian sense, with losing fulfilling some kind of subconscious urge I have to hurt and cause trouble for myself, to feel humiliated and brought low. It really feels as if I try to make myself like a tramp, a bum. Yes, I've read both of those books, but I ought to read them again!

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1. Quit poker
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How bad a theft is it though, if it's from someone who left the firm and abandoned her small change?

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Never steal anything small. You are risking your career for chump change. Beg on the street until you get enough money for a [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]egenerate: tattoo. Then buy a copy of George Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London. Then Doschevsky's the Gambler.

Some people are not cut out for poker and you are one of them. You are a great poster and you can still post.

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Thanks - I can see I come across as a natural born loser when it comes to gambling in a classic Freudian sense, with losing fulfilling some kind of subconscious urge I have to hurt and cause trouble for myself, to feel humiliated and brought low. It really feels as if I try to make myself like a tramp, a bum. Yes, I've read both of those books, but I ought to read them again!

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Im in awe at you trying to romanticize yourself, when you are so pathetic.

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im broke

im a idiot i blew my 100 dollars in a 5 10 cent game last night and im broke and the week before that i had my bankroll up to 290 and lost that in the 1 2 game in 15 minutes so im angry now and my mom keeps telling me your a [censored] idiot ull never make it in poker so does everyone else but all of u will see and when im rich ill invite everyone on myspace friends to a hudge party

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Never steal anything small. You are risking your career for chump change. Beg on the street until you get enough money for a [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]egenerate: tattoo. Then buy a copy of George Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London. Then Doschevsky's the Gambler.

Some people are not cut out for poker and you are one of them. You are a great poster and you can still post.

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Thanks - I can see I come across as a natural born loser when it comes to gambling in a classic Freudian sense, with losing fulfilling some kind of subconscious urge I have to hurt and cause trouble for myself, to feel humiliated and brought low. It really feels as if I try to make myself like a tramp, a bum. Yes, I've read both of those books, but I ought to read them again!

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Im in awe at you trying to romanticize yourself, when you are so pathetic.

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Yes, I did the same three, four years ago when I had a raging alcohol problem. I would read great novels about desperate alcoholics and imagine I shared in their dirty, desolate glamour (which insofar as it existed was there only as characters in a work of art).

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1. Quit poker
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How bad a theft is it though, if it's from someone who left the firm and abandoned her small change?

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Theft is theft, karma is karma.

Call her up, tell her she left it there.
Maybe she'll tell you to just keep it.

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Never steal anything small. You are risking your career for chump change. Beg on the street until you get enough money for a [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]egenerate: tattoo. Then buy a copy of George Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London. Then Doschevsky's the Gambler.

Some people are not cut out for poker and you are one of them. You are a great poster and you can still post.

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Thanks - I can see I come across as a natural born loser when it comes to gambling in a classic Freudian sense, with losing fulfilling some kind of subconscious urge I have to hurt and cause trouble for myself, to feel humiliated and brought low. It really feels as if I try to make myself like a tramp, a bum. Yes, I've read both of those books, but I ought to read them again!

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Im in awe at you trying to romanticize yourself, when you are so pathetic.

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Yes, I did the same three, four years ago when I had a raging alcohol problem. I would read great novels about desperate alcoholics and imagine I shared in their dirty, desolate glamour (which insofar as it existed was there only as characters in a work of art).

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I learned a long time ago how self destructive this kind of thinking is. So, cut it out.

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Based upon your OP, you probably should modify your forum name at some point.

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Here's what I should do:

1. Stop playing poker forever (I can tell myself it's for
six months).

2. Write a novel about a degenerate gambler, squalid and phonily romantic. Put all my energies into this, and try to get it published (I do have a few connections - until not long ago I was an Eng Lit PhD student at one of the top schools in the country).

3. Profit!

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Never steal anything small. You are risking your career for chump change. Beg on the street until you get enough money for a [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]egenerate: tattoo. Then buy a copy of George Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London. Then Doschevsky's the Gambler.

Some people are not cut out for poker and you are one of them. You are a great poster and you can still post.

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Thanks - I can see I come across as a natural born loser when it comes to gambling in a classic Freudian sense, with losing fulfilling some kind of subconscious urge I have to hurt and cause trouble for myself, to feel humiliated and brought low. It really feels as if I try to make myself like a tramp, a bum. Yes, I've read both of those books, but I ought to read them again!

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Im in awe at you trying to romanticize yourself, when you are so pathetic.

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Yes, I did the same three, four years ago when I had a raging alcohol problem. I would read great novels about desperate alcoholics and imagine I shared in their dirty, desolate glamour (which insofar as it existed was there only as characters in a work of art).

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I learned a long time ago how self destructive this kind of thinking is. So, cut it out.

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Mr Frey, is that you?

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I am completely broke, having as usual lost this week's wages playing online poker.

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Just because of

"Theft is theft, karma is karma."

I vote take it, just to prove people who believe in crap like karma wrong.

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Yeah I'm taking it. I went to the bank and got it changed up. When I get paid, I'll tell a girl who knows her "Your friend left £6.50 in change in her drawer, I got it changed up for her as I was going to the bank anyway" and pay it back that way.

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Just because of

"Theft is theft, karma is karma."

I vote take it, just to prove people who believe in crap like karma wrong.

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1. Steal Money

2. Buy Lottery Tickets.

3. Profit.

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It's ok to steal to feed your family.

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Jeez dude! You do get yourself in some situations don't you!

My recco is, if u have enough to scare up a bus ticket, give ALKA a ring and he'll more than likely loan you a pony for food.

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I've borrowed money from 'Alka' too many times already; I really don't want to ever ask him again. I don't like to borrow from friends, and I count him as a friend. You know, it sucks to call someone up and have a good honeset sincere empathetic conversation, while all the time both of you know you've really called about borrowing money. It is bad for the self-esteem to borrow money and compromise friendships over it; even if you always pay back. So I would much rather take this abandoned small change, this £6.50, than ask a friend for a loan.

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On the assumption you have paid it back every time, he won't turn you down, especially when it's to keep you not starving for 4 days.

I believe his policy is similar to mine when I was in London town. I had a neverending supply of score, pony, and bullseye loans for those who desperately RQD them AND who paid them back eventually prior to asking for another loan.

Either Way good luck.

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No need to steal.
Dumpsters have tons of free and good food.
Try bakeries and donut shops, or buffet restaurant dumpsters.
Food is free, you just have to know where to look for it.
Free booze and hookers are trickier.

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wtf nits.

it's $13. take it.

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I'm gonna go against the grain here and thank you for playing poker. I think you should continue playing. Steal the money if you gotta!

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I have two. One has about $6k of gambling debt on it - a year and a half ago I used it to play on £10/£20, was about $6k in the credit and ended up $6k in the hole.

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This means you're due for a sick run of cards! Keep playing - I suggest online blackjack.

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I have two. One has about $6k of gambling debt on it - a year and a half ago I used it to play on £10/£20, was about $6k in the credit and ended up $6k in the hole.

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This means you're due for a sick run of cards! Keep playing - I suggest online blackjack.

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No no I suggest you play at whatever table I am at immediately to my right.

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can you send me some pasta?

I love pasta.

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WTF, of course take the money. You don't have any food! Then when you quit gambling and get your next paycheck, get in touch with the old secretary, tell her you found the change and took it to your bank to get bills. then mail her the money.