Bruce Lee vs. any PFC fighter, who would win?
 

I was watching the 'Way of the Dragon' with my friends and this question came up. Assuming Bruce Lee is in his prime, could he take on any PFC fighter? I'm pretty sure he'll take on any middleweight, but it would get pretty interesting when he fights heavyweights, specifically this beast: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

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I think the consensus before was that he would have to train on the ground and in wrestling before having any chance. (and also gain 20 lbs)

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No chance.

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lolol Bruce would get DESTROYED.

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Pennsylvania Fried Chicken?

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Fedor could pretty much stand there and take hits from Bruce for five minutes straight. Also, Bruce wouldn't be aloud in Pride because AFAIK he was a steroid freak.

In a fight without rules, he could do extremely bad things to anyone within 20 lbs of his weight class, although I still think top fighters like St. Pierre, Karo Parisyan, and Matt Serra would beat him.

edit: Bruce was so gifted, that I think if you have him a few years to update his training to adapt to the top fighters in MMA, he could beat them.

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This is not true. It takes less than five pounds of pressure on the chin to knock someone out. Anyone can do it. Lee was also an extremely hard hitter for his size. You can't think of that level of punching strictly by weight class. As for the steroid freak, you're too credulous.

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Bruce would win against any MMA fighter alive today.

They'd never touch him. He'd never win via a submission, but he'd knock anyone out easier than you think.

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Bruce weighed what, 150 ? Assuming fighting in his weight class he'd do very well. Outside his weight class he'd get owned like anyone with that big a weight difference.

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Bruce Lee was a martial artist, not an MMA fighter. This is an important distinction, and that's coming from someone who practiced martial arts most of his life. He'd get crushed, he never trained for an MMA environment

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With the skills he had at the time of his death, no.

But, Bruce was a great athlete who surely could've learned the skills necessary to compete in MMA.

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Bruce never fought in an MMA environment. He would get mauled.

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This is not true. It takes less than five pounds of pressure on the chin to knock someone out.

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You're right, as usual!

In a real fight, Bruce wouldn't be able to hit Fedor much though. Fedor has such a big reach advantage. Also, if Bruce got too close, Fedor could either:

1. Use his world class judo skills
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2. Just [censored] bear hug Bruce to death

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Bruce Lee has repeatedly said that if someone seriously trained as a boxer and wrestler for 1-3 years that said person would be able to beat most high-level martial artists in a regular fight.

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BJ Penn would destroy him. Unless you let them use numchucks.

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Is bruce Lee on coke or off coke, does that make a difference in your Op, and which way would help him......

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bruce lee is the reason that mma is around today. he was the first person to introduce the idea that the best style is no style at all. I have no doubt that if he was in his prime today, he would be a top fighter in the ufc.

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"bruce lee is the reason that mma is around today. he was the first person to introduce the idea that the best style is no style at all. I have no doubt that if he was in his prime today, he would be a top fighter in the ufc. "

This is exactly what I was going to say. Bruce Lee was preaching MMA long before it ever came out. His fighting ideas are the core of what MMA is all about.

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Ok, I looked at his weight.

Bruce's weight went between 125 and 155 during adulthood (125 in later years when coked out, 155 at max). His ideal fighting weight would probably be 145-150, certainly he would easily make Featherweight (136 to 145).

The lowest UFC weight class is Lightweight: 146 to 155 lb. Pride's lightweight goes up to 160. So pretty much all those guys are already heavier than Bruce. In that class, his opponents would be guys like Gomi, Sherk, Diaz, Pulver, etc.

I imagine he could beat or be close with all those guys assuming he trained in modern MMA techniques for a little while.

Bruce wouldn't have a chance with Fedor any more than Gomi would have a chance. In fact it's laughable.

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fedor would kill bruce lee. Even bruce lee fighting in his own weight class would get wrecked...

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"bruce lee is the reason that mma is around today. he was the first person to introduce the idea that the best style is no style at all. I have no doubt that if he was in his prime today, he would be a top fighter in the ufc. "

This is exactly what I was going to say. Bruce Lee was preaching MMA long before it ever came out. His fighting ideas are the core of what MMA is all about.

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This is the main reason this question, which keeps coming up, is so absurd. There probably wouldn't be an MMA without Lee's enormous influence having paved the way. In aggressive attitude, training commitment, and no-nonsense training and fighting practicality and open-mindedness, he was decades ahead of his time. Without doubt he would have kept growing, and been ever further into cross-training. Lee wasn't behind the eight-ball on this one; he was way way ahead of things.

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Bruce Lee beat up Chuck Norris. Need I say more?

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Bruce Lee died and Chuck Norris lives on. Need I say more?

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Bruce Lee died and Chuck Norris lives on. Need I say more?

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He obviously used every ounce of his life force to best Chuck Norris.

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Bruce would win against any MMA fighter alive today.

They'd never touch him. He'd never win via a submission, but he'd knock anyone out easier than you think.

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HAHAHAHAHAH. LOLOLOLOL. I hope you are joking. He wouldn't even be in the top 50 if you counted all weight classes. His odds of beating Fedor are about the same as my odds of getting struck by lightning tommorrow when I leave the house.

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Bruce weighed what, 150 ? Assuming fighting in his weight class he'd do very well. Outside his weight class he'd get owned like anyone with that big a weight difference

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Royce Gracie used to wreck people who outweighed him by 50+pounds

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If the fight was taken place in a bigass warehouse, or a big court yard, IMO Bruce would pawn anyone.

IE: you cannot leave the 100ft X 100ft enclosure until someone is dead.

I think his agility, would def help in this environment. In a small cage, I think he would die though.

This conclusion is based on nothing, BTW. Just random opinion.

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Bruce weighed what, 150 ? Assuming fighting in his weight class he'd do very well. Outside his weight class he'd get owned like anyone with that big a weight difference

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Royce Gracie used to wreck people who outweighed him by 50+pounds

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That was in a very different era of MMA.

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Bruce weighed what, 150 ? Assuming fighting in his weight class he'd do very well. Outside his weight class he'd get owned like anyone with that big a weight difference

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Royce Gracie used to wreck people who outweighed him by 50+pounds

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Bruce's normal weight was around 135, from what I recall. The 155 figure I've heard is way way over what I've ever heard. Bruce had horrible problems keeping weight on and was only 5'6 1/2, I think.

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If bruce lee doesnt knock someone with wrestling skills out before getting taken to the ground, hes [censored]. End of story.

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If the fight was taken place in a bigass warehouse, or a big court yard, IMO Bruce would pawn anyone.

IE: you cannot leave the 100ft X 100ft enclosure until someone is dead.

I think his agility, would def help in this environment. In a small cage, I think he would die though.

This conclusion is based on nothing, BTW. Just random opinion.

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This is actually a much better idea than you might think. Lee placed a huge premium on being slippery and hard to get at; he knew that however hard he could hit, he didn't have the frame to take a lot of hitting. Even teenagers towered over him and looked like mooses(meese?) in comparison.

He combined that with an emphasis on a quick long-distance close. Lee trained to be adaptable, but he knew that he had limits, like everyone does. A small guy like him needed to clash when the time was ideal. He couldn't just sit toe to toe there slugging it out and hoping one of his haymakers would hit harder than the next guy's, or that he could absorb as much punishment as the next guy until a lucky shot won the day.

His power might well win the day. It was, by the accounts of his contemporaries, astonishing. And it was far from his only attribute. Additionally, his original training was in Wing Chun, a style that specializes in close-in fighting and is extremely comfortable with it, even against larger opponents. His infighting skill might well win the day. But he knew his ability to absorb punishment was a huge achilles heel. The risk of a blow, or a few blows, was inordinately high to him, even if the risk was quite small. And it was. But, he was, simply, small.

His style and frame would benefit enormously from freedom to move. His superlative infighting skills from Wing Chun would make him very comfortable once a "bridge" between fighters was established, so long as he could stay standing. But he needed to keep control over when and how that bridge was established. A large arena would be ideal for him to do so.

By the time he died, he had become very successful at doing that. You might call it "ring generalship," as boxing does. As he had become so successful at establishing command of space while in a standing battle, he faced a natural progression:

1) Train to do the same while not standing, and to resist attempts at takedowns, and
2) Make movies for jillions of dollars. At the time of his death, he was offered the highest salary ever paid a movie star for his next movie.

What would he have done? Being a die-hard burn the candle at both ends kinda guy, if he didn't die so young, he almost certainly would have traded severely on his health to try to do both things at once, which was extremely difficult. But if anyone saw the future, it was this guy. Undoubtedly he would have expanded his training. Given the choice between martial arts and acting, he had always chosen martial arts. He likely would have found it spiritually impossible to sit on his laurels and not improve his martial arts. It just wasn't the way he was made.

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If bruce lee doesnt knock someone with wrestling skills out before getting taken to the ground, hes [censored]. End of story.

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If a wrestler doesn't take him to the ground quick, he's [censored] too. End of that story.

This is silly, you know.

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fwiw, wiki has him at 165 at his peak.

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fwiw, wiki has him at 165 at his peak.

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Complete baloney. At near 6'2" I weighed only 10 pounds more when I was in his kind of shape. He was 5'6". 165 is obscenely high for him. This is a guy who drank raw beef blood to try to keep weight on.

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Penultimate Fighting Championship?

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HAHAHAHAHAH. LOLOLOLOL. I hope you are joking. He wouldn't even be in the top 50 if you counted all weight classes. His odds of beating Fedor are about the same as my odds of getting struck by lightning tommorrow when I leave the house.

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Bruce would win via 1st round KO vs. Fedor. Fedor would never see the knockout punch coming.

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Penultimate Fighting Championship?

2+2 2.0 should have post by post voting so I could rate this funny without actually wasting a reply.

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With the skills he had at the time of his death, no.

But, Bruce was a great athlete who surely could've learned the skills necessary to compete in MMA.

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hey everyone who thinks bruce lee was so great. i just read jackie chan's autobiography and he talks a few pages about bruce lee who he worked with. jackie says what made Lee great wasn't his martial arts skils which he said were solid but he was not close to the best. he said it was Lee's prescene in a room, his drive and his movie making and martial arts all combined.

thoughts?

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There probably wouldn't be an MMA without Lee's enormous influence having paved the way.

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Bruce Lee was way ahead of his time as far as MMA, but where is the causal link between Bruce Lee and the birth of MMA? I don't see it.