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unknown_one 05-27-2007 02:50 AM

OOT relationship experts-- advice needed. TL/DR
 
Cliff notes at the bottom;

I'm a regular poster (albeit not in OOT), but am using the gimmick because there's only 2 other people that really know the full story that relates to why I can't pick up girls today. It's not that this story is particularly revealing/exciting, I just don't tell it to a lot of people; rather, the story is quite mundane and uneventful.

Some background on me necessary to consider.

-- I'm actually a fairly sentimental guy. DEFINITELY a romantic. This is something that a lot of people don't know about me, and probably why when I am in a relationship, I tend to have very strong feelings. Moreover, I have tried random hookups in the past and it's not for me. I'm a relationship kind of guy.

-- I love music. I play 3 instruments well, and when I'm bored, I usually compose. It's not always good, so I throw away the crap and write down the good stuff. When I have played songs for friends/acquiantances, I have been met with very good reviews in spite of my mediocre singing ability.

-- I'm a senior in high school, and will be going away to university next year with a number of my close friends. I'm absolutely hoping that college is a fresh start for me in terms of relationships.

-- I have no idea why I feel the way I do about the girl that I will refer to as Kristen for the rest of this thread.

-- Physically, my female friends have told me I'm a good looking guy. I don't know how to rate my face, but I can't imagine that it's too atrocious. As far as my body goes, I'm a muscular 5'8/170 and lift often.

-- I'm neither introverted nor extroverted. I guess I'm slightly more happy being in a group, but am also perfectly fine just sitting down and writing music.

-- I have a good sense of humor and can get laughs easily, but my personality is nothing special.

"Kristen"

We met on vacation, 3 years ago. Yes, I was 16. Yes, I know you're thinking there's no way in hell you can develop significant feelings for someone in such a short period of time, esp when you're that young. Well, I did.

There was an instant connection from the first time I saw her. I was walking on the beach, and saw her. I wanted to go talk to her, but for some reason didn't. Fortunately, she did that for me and came up and introduced herself. She was on vacation with her best friend, and the three of us talked for hours that first night.

At this point in my life, I had not been in a relationship before. It was more because I simply hadn't found a girl that I had wanted to be with rather than I hadn't had the opportunity. But she was different.

After talking to her for no more than 5 minutes, I could just tell. The next day was oddly similar to the first night-- the three of us just chilled and talked a lot. There was never a dull moment in the conversation, and I couldn't believe how fast I was falling for her.

Her best friend told me the next day that she felt the same way. This still might be the single happiest moment of my life. Obviously, I suspected it, but my girl-reading skills were even worse back then than they are now.

We spent almost every moment of the next 4 days together. I think the best friend realized what was going on, and really just let us go by ourselves. A lot of the time, we would just walk around, laughed at stupid stuff, and just enjoy being together. Somehow I felt like I had known her for years, when in reality it had only been a few days. It was perfect.

We kissed a bunch, and went a little further. I was fully aware that she would have had sex with me had I wanted to-- but I didn't want to. I knew it would hurt her later on, and knowing that I would have caused her pain just killed me on the inside (this is very important later).

The more time we spent together, the happier I was. I loved everything about her. Hell, I still remember every stupid thing we laughed about, the sound of her voice, etc. There are no words that I can type that would describe how I felt at this time, because it was far and away the happiest I've ever been.

And of course, at the end of the week, we had to split ways. We decided we would try to stay together (she lived ~600 miles away).

At first, it was great. We emailed several times a day, I called her all the time, and I was pretty sure I was falling in love. But after about 2 months, the pain of separation really started to set in. I still loved her, but realized that our relationship was proably causing her an unbearable amount of pain-- and the thought of this absolutely killed me. No matter how many times she told me she loved me, I knew that she was suffering because of our relationship; because of me.

So I finally looked at it realistically. There was no way I'd see her for probably 3+ years, so I obviously assumed we'd never make it that long. Given this, I decided that it would be less painful for her to break it off sooner than later. So I did. I never told her I still loved her, or that I was really doing it to try to save her some suffering. All I said was that I couldn't be the boyfriend that she needed and deserved when I was living in another city, and that we couldn't be together because of it.

Obviously, it took me a long time to move on. For about a year, I didn't want to date anyone else because I simply wasn't ready. After a time, I was sort of healed. I liked other girls, but never for an extended period of time, and in my mind... none of them compared to Kristen.

I've dated 4 girls since. I've never really been actively seeking a relationship, but if the opportunity presented itself, I took it. 2 of these were very short-lived, and two of them were ok. But I never felt the same way about any of these other girls as I did about Kristen.

Through all this, Kristen and I sort of became best friends. We still talk online for hours, and tell each other anything and everything. We never really discussed whether or not we might get back together in the future. This is still a huge problem for me. Throughout the last 3 years, I've never really felt that our connection went away-- our personalities are simply perfect together. I always kinda assumed that when I did see her again, we'd have a second chance. Yet, I've never really had a serious discussion with her about this. This hope for the future is something I still hold on to.

As you might imagine, I eventually got over her. Within the last six months, I'd say I've finally become ready to have a serious relationship with someone else.... and so I've been on the market. After many misreads and a few bad first dates, I'm still single. I think I'm going to stay this way until college (I'll be starting in 3 months), and would not like to go through the LD thing again.

So to the relationship experts of OOT-- I have a few questions to pose to you.

1) What's my future line with Kristen? I'll be seeing her for the first time in 3+ years this summer (my brother is now working in her city and I'll be visiting). Would this be a good time to talk about us having a second chance somewhere down the line? This is not a subject I'm comfortable talking to her about online/on the phone.

2) When we do eventually talk about the future, do I tell her why I broke up with her the first time?

3) I've written a number of songs about her/us. All of my friends have unanimously agreeed these are my best songs (although most do not know the story behind them)-- probably because of my feelings for her in the past. Do I play these for her/ tell her the story behind them?

4) For the most part, I intend to use this summer to figure out how to attract girls more often. Like I said, I don't want a relationship right now, but that doesn't mean I won't be hanging out with lots of girls.

5) Hopefully my experience from this summer carries over into college. When college starts, I'll be single and not wanting to stay that way. I'm guessing that worrying about Kristen at this time would be a terrible idea, and that I need to focus on girls at my school (my college has a ~60/40 female to male ratio for the record)?


Cliff notes; OP is a 19 year old romantic who fell in love 3 years ago and never really got over that girl. He held on to the hope that he could get back together with her at some point (she lives in a different city), and they have become best friends. With college on the horizon, he feels ready to find someone else and is for the first time actually seeking a relationship. When college arrives, should he worry about the ex-gf/current best friend, or chase tail at his school?

Thanks OOT.

Moneyball16 05-27-2007 03:07 AM

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If you guys are still gonna be 600 miles away I dont see why the relationship would work this time. When you visit her keep it as friends. If you guys somehow end up living closer to each other I would probably express my feelings for her.

P.S. Im not sure why it would hurt her if you [censored] her when you were 16 when you were planning on trying to have a long distance relationship.

unknown_one 05-27-2007 03:10 AM

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Because when I'm in college I could at least see her every couple months... as opposed to every 3 years. Also I think we have a more clear understanding of how well an LDR could work now as opposed to back then.

BEP 05-27-2007 03:16 AM

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college is no time for a serious long distance relationship like this. especially because the two of you have never spent any time together. you've spent all this time apart talking to each other, all this daydreaming and i'm sure you've built this girl up to epic proportions in your mind.

this relationship would tear you up.

Moneyball16 05-27-2007 03:18 AM

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When you go there this summer I would wait till near the end of the trip to see how you feel and make a decision then. Even if you decide now that you either want or dont want a relationship with her I think the trip has the potential to change alot. So I would be prepared to make either decision then wait till you see her again to make it.

BradleyT 05-27-2007 03:22 AM

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There's probably 10,000+ females at your UNI. Chances are there will be a Kristen there except with bigger tittays.

adsman 05-27-2007 03:26 AM

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he feels ready to find someone else and is for the first time actually seeking a relationship.

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I can never understand this thinking. What does this mean, actually seeking a relationship? How can this really work? Actually seeking somebody to bonk, well this I can understand. You're criteria is clear in this regard.

A relationship is usually with somebody special. They are special enough that they warrent the effort and risk of forming a relationship. You can't just go out and find this type of person. They come into your life at unexpected moments. What you can do is to work on yourself so that you have something to offer that special person when they pop up and that you're able to recognise them as well.

imitation 05-27-2007 03:26 AM

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I read that you are senior in high school and I stopped reading, you are going to be a totally different person in 3yrs and still changing, don't take anything to seriously at this point in your life.

NozeCandy 05-27-2007 03:29 AM

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I read that you are senior in high school and I stopped reading, you are going to be a totally different person in 3yrs and still changing, don't take anything to seriously at this point in your life.

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Yeah, I stopped reading here too. You don't know if you are a "relationship type of guy" or anything really yet. High school is so far removed from any other aspect of the rest of your life that things you "learn" about yourself often are false.

unknown_one 05-27-2007 03:29 AM

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he feels ready to find someone else and is for the first time actually seeking a relationship.

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I can never understand this thinking. What does this mean, actually seeking a relationship? How can this really work? Actually seeking somebody to bonk, well this I can understand. You're criteria is clear in this regard.

A relationship is usually with somebody special. They are special enough that they warrent the effort and risk of forming a relationship. You can't just go out and find this type of person. They come into your life at unexpected moments. What you can do is to work on yourself so that you have something to offer that special person when they pop up and that you're able to recognise them as well.

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The best translation I can give you is previously I didn't really care that much whether or not I was in one. Now, I'd prefer to be in one.

Btw, I have received this same advice from several others and am strongly considering it.

imitation 05-27-2007 03:34 AM

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You are infatuated not inlove when you learn the difference you will be better for it.

adsman 05-27-2007 03:35 AM

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Now, I'd prefer to be in one.



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Why?

unknown_one 05-27-2007 03:38 AM

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Now, I'd prefer to be in one.



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Why?

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Tired of being single, becoming increasingly extroverted, ready to see if I'm all the way past Kristen.

adsman 05-27-2007 03:43 AM

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Now, I'd prefer to be in one.



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Why?

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Tired of being single, becoming increasingly extroverted, ready to see if I'm all the way past Kristen.

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Can you see why these are all completely crap reasons? You didn't list one thing that you have to offer somebody else. You're looking for somebody else to help solve your problems. Solve your own problems, then you'll have something good to offer to another person.

unknown_one 05-27-2007 03:45 AM

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Now, I'd prefer to be in one.



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Why?

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Tired of being single, becoming increasingly extroverted, ready to see if I'm all the way past Kristen.

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Can you see why these are all completely crap reasons? You didn't list one thing that you have to offer somebody else. You're looking for somebody else to help solve your problems. Solve your own problems, then you'll have something good to offer to another person.

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excellent point.

unknown_one 05-27-2007 03:46 AM

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Now, I'd prefer to be in one.



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Why?

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Tired of being single, becoming increasingly extroverted, ready to see if I'm all the way past Kristen.

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Can you see why these are all completely crap reasons? You didn't list one thing that you have to offer somebody else. You're looking for somebody else to help solve your problems. Solve your own problems, then you'll have something good to offer to another person.

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I think the point of my OP was to ask for advice on how I can solve such problems.

traz 05-27-2007 03:51 AM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_frustrated_chump

Work on being happy with your own life...have interesting hobbies/activities, be confident in yourself and work yourself to the point where you truely believe you have alot to offer any girl.

pergesu 05-27-2007 03:56 AM

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And of course, at the end of the week, we had to split ways. We decided we would try to stay together (she lived ~600 miles away).

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Do you mean you would try to stay in contact? When kids meet on vacation and make out for a week, it's a fling, not a relationship.

Honestly dude, you're heading off to college pretty soon. You'll meet every kind of chick imaginable...hotties, fatties, super sweet church girls, slutbongs, geniuses, airheads, volleyball players, yadda yadda, take your pick. You'll be able to sample every kind of girl there is, and you'll learn whatever it is you need to - whether it's simply how to bag [censored] at bars or how to really love a wonderful woman. I can't say what it is you need, but I can say that you shouldn't get hung up on girl issues when you're about to start the stage of your life where girls aren't the issue.

sethypooh21 05-27-2007 04:28 AM

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college is no time for a serious long distance relationship like this. especially because the two of you have never spent any time together. you've spent all this time apart talking to each other, all this daydreaming and i'm sure you've built this girl up to epic proportions in your mind.

this relationship would tear you up.

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Seriously, OP, this is spot on in every particular.

Rearden 05-27-2007 05:15 AM

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And of course, at the end of the week, we had to split ways. We decided we would try to stay together (she lived ~600 miles away).

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Do you mean you would try to stay in contact? When kids meet on vacation and make out for a week, it's a fling, not a relationship.

Honestly dude, you're heading off to college pretty soon. You'll meet every kind of chick imaginable...hotties, fatties, super sweet church girls, slutbongs, geniuses, airheads, volleyball players, yadda yadda, take your pick. You'll be able to sample every kind of girl there is, and you'll learn whatever it is you need to - whether it's simply how to bag [censored] at bars or how to really love a wonderful woman. I can't say what it is you need, but I can say that you shouldn't get hung up on girl issues when you're about to start the stage of your life where girls aren't the issue.

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This man speaks the truth. Go to college, date lots of girls, forget about your super emo infatuation with a chick you met for a week on vacation years ago.

ActionJeff 05-27-2007 07:05 AM

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OP,

do you think any of these clowns responding to you can give you a meaningful answer. Do you think any of them know anything about life or love? I sure as hell don't

kmak 05-27-2007 07:40 AM

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Excellent use of paragraphs. Made the story much more enjoyable.

unbluffable 05-27-2007 07:41 AM

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as usual, OOT sucks ass

dude, if you like relationship by all means you should be in a relationship. The College Bachelor life is great,but definitely not for everyone. Focus on finding a girl who you would consider a good college friend and see where things go romantically. Tell Kristen you want to stay friends and you would love for her to visit you in college. As far as how to attract girls, it doesn't sound to me like you will have any problems at college.

i would let her listen to the songs if you think they are that good

what school?

rkd

Turtle Head 05-27-2007 07:51 AM

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why, even as a dumb 16 year old, did you decide you couldn't see her for THREE YEARS? 600 miles is a ~10 hour bus ride. which would probably cost like 100-200 dollars. which even when i was 16, was not all that much money, to see the girl of my dreams.

that's the part of the story i am curious about, it doesn't make sense to me.

other than that, i think you should just go for it. love is sweet and doesn't make sense, just give it your all and see what happens.

unbluffable 05-27-2007 08:01 AM

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yea, 600 miles is not long distance

my girl lived in russia why i lived in us and we did fine. of course, we both had sex with other people which is the tricky part

SuperUberBob 05-27-2007 10:51 PM

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At your age, the last thing you need is any sort of a serious relationship.

Go out, enjoy life and make friends at college. It's only four years long...for most people.

inside?? 05-27-2007 11:26 PM

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Carpe Diem!!!!

Seriously, tell her how you feel and see what her reaction is. She isn't going to lead you on. If it was a long time ago and she doesn't feel it she may not want to hurt your feelings but you should get an idea from her reaction. I agree at your age you shouldn't be tied down to one girl. Uni is going to be the best years of your life, so that freedom will be priceless. If you want to make a 600 mile road trip once in a while do it. It is easy to romanticize summer love but once you get to college every weekend with be filled with memorable experiences.

Oh yeah and post pics, we deserve it for this solid advice.

Spota 05-27-2007 11:40 PM

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I read that you are senior in high school and I stopped reading, you are going to be a totally different person in 3yrs and still changing, don't take anything to seriously at this point in your life.

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Seriously. Come back in 5 yrs.

dchz 05-28-2007 12:09 AM

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GRUNCH:

CHASE TAILS AT NEW SCHOOL AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE

ESnow 05-28-2007 12:09 AM

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Watch the movie Swingers.

Then watch it again.

And again. And again.

Sweating over some chick you're broken up with is a fool's errand. I know cause I've done it too much myself.

In college, go meet as many new women as you can. Not necessarily sleep with them, but meet them. I guarantee you'll meet a ton of women out there who make you realize that old love was fine at the time, but far far better awaits.


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