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alaewin 05-25-2007 07:18 AM

100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($129.25)
Hero ($98.35)
SB ($64.05)
BB ($75.70)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($139.80)
MP1 ($63.30)
MP2 ($29.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $1, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $13</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

Turn: ($176.05) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($176.05) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $176.05

Semtex 05-25-2007 07:32 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
readless you can't get away from it. you'll see sets enough of the time to call.

myheadhurts 05-25-2007 07:36 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($129.25)
Hero ($98.35)
SB ($64.05)
BB ($75.70)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($139.80)
MP1 ($63.30)
MP2 ($29.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $1, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $13</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

Turn: ($176.05) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($176.05) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $176.05

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Push. You don't want to give a free card for the flush draw, and you'll likely get called by any hand with Ad or any set, and very likely a lot of other hands too.

sweeng8 05-25-2007 08:49 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
no way you can get awy from hands like this, especially at these limits, you will find yourself against 2 pair or trips most of the time. a push all in on the flop is the best move, as you dont want another flush card to hit on the turn

diebitter 05-25-2007 08:56 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
No, that was absolutely fine.

Stonewalled 05-25-2007 09:04 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
If I remember correctly, when you flop a flush, there is something like a 1% chance (whatever, it's very low) someone else also flopped a flush. Push.

capodu 05-25-2007 09:13 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
no

Stonewalled 05-25-2007 09:13 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
[ QUOTE ]
no

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Correct me, please. Thanks.

bestbluff 05-25-2007 09:28 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
"If I remember correctly, when you flop a flush, there is something like a 1% chance (whatever, it's very low) someone else also flopped a flush"

The chance that one specific player has the flush given you got it is 2.59% if the player's hand is random.

A close estimate that somebody besides you have the flush is 1-(1-0.0259)^3=7.6%.

Still, I think chances are big that your opponent has 2 pairs, set, flush draw, or one pair with flush draw.

Go for it. Push.

Done like Dinner 05-25-2007 10:03 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
Push it. Smile when he rolls over jq or a set. Very seldomly he rolls over a bigger flush.

alaewin 05-25-2007 10:04 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
thanks...
I pushed and he had 9d3d - oh well...

King Spew 05-25-2007 10:23 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
Tough break. I would push also.... and would think we're ahead against a majority of villains.

myheadhurts 05-25-2007 10:51 AM

Re: 100NL : Flops a flush - anyway to get away?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Push it. Smile when he rolls over jq or a set. Very seldomly he rolls over a bigger flush.

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All very well saying that, but my thoughts when I see he has a set or a draw to a better flush are always "He's gonna outdraw me...." [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I save the smiling until it holds up....


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