NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

I reevaluated the turn and didn't want to play allin on the river here. What would you have done in that spot? MP3 calls 2 times and I guess with his stats he does that with a medium pocketpair and could easily hit his set here. I noticed that i am to scared sometimes but i think here fold was correct.
He leads immediatelly even though he is not the proflop aggressor....

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $163.35
BB: $170.40
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $106.95</font>
MP: $100.00
CO: $94.70
BTN: $70.95

<font color="black">Reads: </font><font color="blue">16 / 14 / 3.4</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, MP calls $3.50, <font color="red">CO raises to $6.00</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50, MP calls $2.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($19.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $14.00</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $14.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($47.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $35.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $82.50

Re: NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

what do you put mp on on this flop that you would call his bet and then fold to a river bet?
I would just bet the flop myself, hope to get called by tt, jj and shove all in against a raise.
btw, i also like to 4-bet this pre against this stupid minraise and shove almost any flop.

Re: NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

wow, don't fold here. your hand is so underreped he could be beting a ton of stuff you're ahead of here.

Re: NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

I would 4-bet preflop and definitely call ths river.

Re: NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

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I would 4-bet preflop and definitely call ths river.

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Can you explain me why? He has only 14 pfr...

Re: NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

because of the min-re-raise.
he's 16.14 so he's raising pretty much all of the hands he's playing. His 3-bet is so weak that I'm very happy to 4-bet to 18 or 20 here and fold to a push.

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because of the min-re-raise.
he's 16.14 so he's raising pretty much all of the hands he's playing. His 3-bet is so weak that I'm very happy to 4-bet to 18 or 20 here and fold to a push.

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But to me a minreraise always indicated "don't fold to me". Was that completely wrong?

Re: NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

that depends on the player, min-raises preflop are usually weak donkey plays. either way you now have a good shot at making a good 4-bet that will build the pot for you in position and also give you a lot more info about villian's hand.

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that depends on the player, min-raises preflop are usually weak donkey plays. either way you now have a good shot at making a good 4-bet that will build the pot for you in position and also give you a lot more info about villian's hand.

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ok thanks. I didn't see it that way.

Re: NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

this guy is a nit, OP played it fine, 4 betting this guy without some type of read on his min3bets is suicidal

Re: NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

The advice in this thread is really weird.

I would 4bet preflop, chances are you get MP out of the way and play it heads up against a min 3bet donk.

As played, after preflop action, MP virtually always has 22-TT. I think on the flop, he usually makes a strong donk with a strong hand because he can't necessarily depend on CO to make a cbet and the flop is fairly drawy. So I would say his range is a set or maybe TT. As much of a nit as this guy is, I play it the same way.

Re: NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

guys,it seems like people are giving advice without really reading the hh. CO minraised pf,not MP. MP has played this hand like a pp that hit a set. however, this is the kind of hand where having a read other than stats matters. does MP think ur a maniac? does MP think everyone always has AK. will MP call utg raises with a hand like A10s? I think with no real reads I call down, but remembering some of his previous hands makes a huge diference.

Re: NL100 Overpair vs. TAG on ugly board
 

Preflop I like the 4 bet.

On the flop I like betting out. Or check raising if you think someone else will bet and you think you have the best hand.

As played I raise the turn all in barring a read that tells you to do otherwise.