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LuckySal 05-18-2007 12:32 PM

50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
READS: 27/18/4.75 over 150 hands
villain = pretty aggro, has 3-bet me 2 or 3 times earlier, and = 3-betting others a often too. He did showed down some strong hands (sets and stuff)>>> he's not the best player arround , but he isnt a big donk too>>>> he did pushed over 250 BB deep allin (with AKo) against a rock who showed strenght by 4-betting a Ep raiser and RR,,,,,(rock had AA, and villain sucked out with AK in a 500 Bb pot


Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $139.73
BB: $15.66
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $75.96</font>
BTN: $73.18

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($6) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4.25</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $12.00</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $33.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $137.73</font>, Hero ?????

MJBuddy 05-18-2007 12:44 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
94.50
39.25

You're getting over 2 to 1 odds to call. I think you're committed here...and hoping you're not against a set.

But with his aggro level and ranges, better chance he's on KQ or K9 if not AKo

takingcontrol 05-18-2007 12:45 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
i'd push. lots in the pot, if he's pushing alot it's probably not with anything amazing. worst case he's got a set, I dont see K9 here alot either. I think we're seeing KQ, KJ alot here. +ev imo

HBomb 05-18-2007 12:56 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
Being 150 BB's deep I think this is a call, you played it just fine otherwise if he does have a set, then so be it, he got lucky. If 200+ BB's or deeper this is an easy fold.

LuckySal 05-18-2007 12:56 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
Do u thinks RR in the first place is a mistake (making myself pot committed??????????

TheRenaissance 05-18-2007 01:05 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
Just call his cr, you have position and can use it to your advantage.
The flop is very dry and you are not worried about getting outdrawn.
Also it can increase the likelihood that he will stack off w weaker hands.

Grunch 05-18-2007 01:06 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
There should be a new rule. Any poster who refers to TPTK as "TOPTOP" should be insta-banned.

Call the 1st flop raise &amp; play poker on the turn. As played, fold to the push.

0evg0 05-18-2007 01:06 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
wow your 3bet sucks so hard it's not even funny

like 12 inch dong in the throat bad

TheRenaissance 05-18-2007 01:11 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
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Any poster who refers to TPTK as "TOPTOP" should be insta-banned.

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I just always assume it is tongue in cheek.

thac 05-18-2007 01:26 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
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wow your 3bet sucks so hard it's not even funny

like 12 inch dong in the throat bad

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That's exactly what I was thinking.. you turned your hand into a bluff basically.. what's gonna call you there? KQ? Just call his raise on the flop.

Since you got into this mess, I'd say you're committed and you have to call the shove.

CobraGoat 05-18-2007 01:34 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
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Just call his cr, you have position and can use it to your advantage.
The flop is very dry and you are not worried about getting outdrawn.
Also it can increase the likelihood that he will stack off w weaker hands.

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and its not even close. RR the c/r on this flop is aweful. villains stats indicate that he is aggro not maniacal.

JNuey 05-22-2007 03:15 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
Does anybody think the first bet on the flop is kind of weak? I like $4.50 min but more like $5.25.

Vyse 05-22-2007 03:29 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
TOP TOP hahahaha

Abramovic 05-22-2007 03:41 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
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Does anybody think the first bet on the flop is kind of weak? I like $4.50 min but more like $5.25.

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4.25 is fine.

The 3bet isnt.

bozzer 05-22-2007 05:16 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
this is a pretty easy fold. I run stats similar to this but there's no way I don't have the goods by the time I 4b shove the flop.

Worm75 05-22-2007 05:22 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
To anybody saying that a call of the push on the flop is good, you are retarted!! Were both playing fairly deep, and on a dry board. Agree with Grunch that a call and reeval on the turn is the proper line, but when he 4 bets you here you are beat 100%, there is no way this villain 4 bet shoves with KQ or anything else that we beat here. Fold and move on.

RUDIKS 05-22-2007 05:27 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
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There should be a new rule. Any poster who refers to TPTK as "TOPTOP" should be insta-banned.

Call the 1st flop raise &amp; play poker on the turn. As played, fold to the push

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The board is so dry, i doubt he's shoving anything you are ahead of

Keys Myaths 05-22-2007 05:46 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

There should be a new rule. Any poster who refers to TPTK as "TOPTOP" should be insta-banned.

Call the 1st flop raise &amp; play poker on the turn. As played, fold to the push

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The board is so dry, i doubt he's shoving anything you are ahead of

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QFT.

ama0330 05-22-2007 06:51 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
What do you think this is, KQ?

Fold

LuckySal 05-24-2007 07:02 PM

Re: 50 NL: 150BB deep against AGGRO Player with TOPTOP, H.E.L.P.
 
OK THX for the advice,

this time villain showed KhJh........

I guess ,most of you didnt expect that.


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