Lost w/JJ 3/6 HU
 

I have been playing villain for a couple of hours and we 3 tabled a few days earlier so we have a good feel for each other's game. He's pretty aggro, check raises a lot of flops, doesn't float a ton. He raises the btn about 60% of the time but he rarely 3bets but over the last 20 minutes or so he's probably 3bet more than he did in the entire match leading up to this point. The times he has 3bet I have folded mostly and I think this is only the 3rd time we've seen a flop on his 3bet, I took it down once and he's taken 1 down.

When I raised I was expecting him to fold or shove, the call threw me off. Should I just stick it in on the turn?



Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

BB: $942.00
<font color="black">Hero (SB): $2,102.00</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $18.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $60.00</font>, Hero calls $42.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($120) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $90.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $270.00</font>, BB calls $180.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($660) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero ????

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Looks like you are behind, or he has 9s or 10s.

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i think this boils down to whether or not you think he'll fold QQ and KK here. I think he will so I'd shove.

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I'm confused, what do you just call a 270 raise from on the flop? If he is going to call that much, shouldn't he just push? What are the stack sizes? Was he slow playing a set-aces?

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It doesn't look like from the action that he has aces(at least I wouldn't play them like that) so I doubt he has an ace. I don't know if I would try and push him off his hand though when the ace came out. He cold called a 270 raise-looks strong and like he isn't folding. I'm not sure about this hand though, his flop play has confused me a little. Is he a donkey?

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that he caught a set.

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This guy definitely isn't a donk, he's one of the best players I've played.

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I mean if he had qq, kk, aa, it really seems like he would push the flop after your raise and not just cold call for like a half of a buyin. What are the stack sizes. I'm asking a lot of questions, but this hand interests me. Good post.

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i don't really understand the reasoning behind your flop raise. were you planning on calling a push? getting in 150 BBs here seems kinda bad to me, but then again so does raise/folding.

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I'm not calling and letting an AKQ come off for free.

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i think this boils down to whether or not you think he'll fold QQ and KK here. I think he will so I'd shove.

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i disagree entirely. i believe those hands definitely shove flop.

i would check down and fold to anything further. this guys hand looks very strong or something you beat and willing to check down to me.

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i don't really understand the reasoning behind your flop raise. were you planning on calling a push? getting in 150 BBs here seems kinda bad to me, but then again so does raise/folding.

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you dont play much hu im guessing.

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id 4 bet preflop

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i don't really understand the reasoning behind your flop raise. were you planning on calling a push? getting in 150 BBs here seems kinda bad to me, but then again so does raise/folding.

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you dont play much hu im guessing.

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sure don't. felting JJ on this flop is standard then i guess?

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check behind turn reeval riv.

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JJ is definitely underrepped preflop in this spot; I like the flop raise, however, I would check behind this turn, and if he checks to you on the end, I'd make like a 2/3 pot vbet jus becuz 1/2 pot I think looks more like a mediocre vbet, and you leave urself to the c/rai on river with a weaker hand. I think that an Ace would at least bet this river after checking the turn, so it'd be a good spot for a river vbet. No way can we put villain on a set here btw drj003...

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i don't really understand the reasoning behind your flop raise. were you planning on calling a push? getting in 150 BBs here seems kinda bad to me, but then again so does raise/folding.

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you dont play much hu im guessing.

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sure don't. felting JJ on this flop is standard then i guess?

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pretty standard. i dont mind calling flop at all, but folding anywhere in this hand is the last thing on my mind.

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JJ is definitely underrepped preflop in this spot; I like the flop raise, however, I would check behind this turn, and if he checks to you on the end, I'd make like a 2/3 pot vbet jus becuz 1/2 pot I think looks more like a mediocre vbet, and you leave urself to the c/rai on river with a weaker hand. I think that an Ace would at least bet this river after checking the turn, so it'd be a good spot for a river vbet. No way can we put villain on a set here btw drj003...

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I don't know about that. He is pretty sure that we don't aces, kings or probably even queens since we didn't reraise his reraise preflop. So then on the flop he leads out and we raise him a half a buyin, he just flat calls. What do you put him on there? Cleary he has to be strong if he is any kind of a player. It seems to me that kings or queens would definitely push on the flop after our reraise. I would usually with aces as well(but he could make a case for just calling since no overcards can come out-again I would almost always push with aces in his shoes). It is not out of the question for him to have a set. He has shown great strength by calling a huge raise on the flop. If he has 9s, 10s, queens, kings, I think he made a bad play on the flop, by just calling. If he didn't make a terrible play, then what does he have? What could he possibly just flat call a huge raise on the flop? A set or aces maybe? That's my reasoning. That being said, I would have usually pushed the flop in his spot with a set. So what is your reasoning for saying he can't have a set?

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i would check behind and if he forces a bet out on the river i am prolly folding, this is a super tough spot tho that is so read dependent

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Who are the two players in this hand? Or at least villain...

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Villain in the hand is IHopeyoudrown, he told me before he's 2p2 but don't know his handle here.

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i would check behind and if he forces a bet out on the river i am prolly folding, this is a super tough spot tho that is so read dependent

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agreed except i don't the spot is that tough.

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check behind turn reeval riv.

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