playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

do you agree w my limp? do you agree w my preflop call? how do you play this flop?

ill post my play and result later

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $15/$30
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1560
UTG+1: $1470
MP1: $1455
MP2: $1425
hamnegger: $1485
CO: $1665
Button: $1560
SB: $1470
BB: $1410

Pre-flop: (9 players) hamnegger is MP3 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, hamnegger calls $30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $45)</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $135</font>, 2 folds, hamnegger calls $105 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $210)</font>.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($315, 2 players)

im first whats my move?

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

Whether the limp is OK depends on the buyin and your style. I would usually fold.

I would fold to the raise. Here fold &gt; limpreraise &gt; call. He raised from the button, so he may be weak, so limpreraising representing a big pair is possible. I wouldn't mind calling if the pot was multiway. Calling is donk/calling station style. If you have a huge skill advantage postflop, calling may be profitable.

Do you think villain will bet this flop. If so, go for a checkraise. Otherwise lead out about 250.

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

Wrong forum but this should have been folded after Button's PF raise. Most suited connectors should be played multiway so that the pots odds make it worthwhile.

As played, I don't mind either a check/call to see if you improve. You have a lot of outs. Depending on how aggressive CO is, a check raise might take down the pot if he only has over cards and t5hinks you hit your set.

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

Hamnegger,

You're a good poster, so I think you know what everyone is going to say. Fold preflop, fold to raise. On the flop, I CRAI. Try to get some value out of AK/AQ and some FE against 99 and 1010. If you bet now, all higher pairs are gonna CRAI to you anyway (except maybe 99); anything else, save for a club draw, is going to fold and you miss out on value.

Edit: Tailored for STT strategy (wrong forum) + assuming no reads

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

im a smallballer betgo i don't like the limp reraise. i like to see lots of flops early and hopefully get value from weak players when i flop something.

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

barry already said it

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

if the hand occurred in mtt why is it stt forum hand?

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

I don't mind the limp. I raise anything I'm playing in general with these stacks and blinds but I'm not sure why. There are enough randoms who limp big hands and enough randoms who can't read action/hands that I think limping is fine. I think limp/folding is really bad unless you're faced with an outlandish raise. The whole point of limping is to see a flop relatively cheaply with a hand that is not particularly well defined to your opponent when his hand is relatively well defined to you.

Love this flop. I think, in general, you won't get to three bet here. And overpair is going to bring down the hammer pretty hard given the texture so I'd CR.

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

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im a smallballer betgo i don't like the limp reraise. i like to see lots of flops early and hopefully get value from weak players when i flop something.

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I was half-joking. The limpreraise would be reasonable here at high buyin. since this is probably microbuyin, it would be awful.

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

Raise or fold IMO, looks like a decent spot to pick up a small pot early and chip up.

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

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if the hand occurred in mtt why is it stt forum hand?

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LOL, yeah, WTF?

If it's an MTT, I think limping is not bad here; I still don't prefer it and I think you'll find yourself in more trouble than not. limp/calling with suited connectors at these starting stacks should be warned against not for immediate consequences (though there are some) as much as for long term habits.

Small ball is a dangerous thing at 1500 starting stacks.

Anyway, CR is still the best play, IMO.

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

Since you can openraise you should raise instead of limp.
Limp/calling vs button is bad if you dont know anything about the button.
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Limp/calling is generally bad.
Flop seems like a good spot to c/r + call shove or shove turn if no club falls.

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Since you can openraise you should raise instead of limp.
Limp/calling vs button is bad if you dont know anything about the button.
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Limp/calling is generally bad.
Flop seems like a good spot to c/r + call shove or shove turn if no club falls.

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Depending on the table, at low buyin, the limp may be OK. You may get a multiway limped or raised pot. Raising this hand UTG at this stage is not great either.

The limp may be OK, but fold to the raise HU.

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

The problem with raising with these stacks is when we come up agaisnt hands that we can stack. They RR and we can't call and the opportunity is lost. When I limp something like this from EP, I want to be raised. Calls behind are bad because we're much more more likely to put more chips in with marginal one pair hands in multiway pots.

Re: playing a suited connector out of position opinions?
 

ok here are the results and my reasoning (right or wrong)
1. i limp so if raised i can still see a flop. I WANT TO SEE A FLOP i dont care if its in pos or not or multi or not, bc if i catch the right flop and he has a big hand hes cooked

2. the flop is good i have the lead against big cards and 13 outs against an overpair 8 against a set.

3. leading gets no action from 50% of his holdings. so i checked. he bet the pot. i was sure he didn't set but 75% sure he had overpair. i shoved all in knowing he'll call about 70% of the time but that 30% he folds plus 42% i draw out made it a good play in my mind.
4. i won when i rivered an 8 doubled up and still busted just after the first hour....oh well

5. the buy in was $24 but id play it the same way against phil hellmuth

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ok here are the results and my reasoning (right or wrong)
1. i limp so if raised i can still see a flop. I WANT TO SEE A FLOP i dont care if its in pos or not or multi or not, bc if i catch the right flop and he has a big hand hes cooked

2. the flop is good i have the lead against big cards and 13 outs against an overpair 8 against a set.

3. leading gets no action from 50% of his holdings. so i checked. he bet the pot. i was sure he didn't set but 75% sure he had overpair. i shoved all in knowing he'll call about 70% of the time but that 30% he folds plus 42% i draw out made it a good play in my mind.
4. i won when i rivered an 8 doubled up and still busted just after the first hour....oh well

5. the buy in was $24 but id play it the same way against phil hellmuth

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you'll get more fold equity out of Hellmuth.