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Hoop Addict 05-17-2007 03:18 AM

My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
In the SB with A9o, 6 handed. Blinds are 2K/4K no antes.

Stacks of those in the hand:

Me (SB) ~125K
UTG - ~95K
Button - ~105K

UTG is a lagtard & min-raises to 8K. Folds to button who flat calls. I bump it to 30K assuming the lagtard is just being that & having seen the button call UTG's raises before & steal pots from him postflop.

UTG flatcalls my raise & button folds.

Flop is K 8 4 rainbow.

How do I proceed? Do I fire at the flop? If so, how much for? I've got about ~95K left behind at this point & UTG has ~65K.

Also - 1) is a squeeze an acceptable play here, considering if I get called I'll be playing it OOP & 2) was 30K the correct amount to squeeze with there?

Shine 05-17-2007 03:26 AM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
Given your read, he is not folding ever. Check fold. Also, I wouldn't bluff a loose station.

nath 05-17-2007 04:32 AM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
i'd just shove... BTW, i'd rather just shove PF in a spot like this

APipeDream 05-17-2007 10:35 AM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
If you're pushing, I would shove preflop instead of that raise.

registrar 05-17-2007 10:38 AM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
I'm not normally coy like this, but I think a pf shove with 30BBs and no antes to win 5BBs is yucky.

betgo 05-17-2007 10:55 AM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
Fold preflop. The stack sizes are not right for a squeeze and you don't bluff a calling station.

As played, you have to push the flop. You may be ahead.

hamnegger 05-17-2007 11:01 AM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
a) squeeze a little more 35-40g
b)give up if he stinks he cant fold. i dont like to bluff the unbluffable once theyve committed good amt of chips. he has a legit hand here. im not afraid to bluff but i also am not afraid to call off the dogs if i feel my play wont work. this is where gut comes in if i get that feeling i can bully him ill fire at it

whickerda 05-17-2007 11:03 AM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
By lagtard do you mean that UTG does not have fold discipline? If that's the case check-fold this flop. If you've seen him make some laydowns then shove this flop.

Like "registrar" I don't like a preflop shove with the size of your stack. Your M is high enough that you can still play poker even if you fold postflop here.

james129 05-17-2007 11:06 AM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
46k in pot and it is 22k for him to call. He has good odds on his money...I don't see how you are going to get a minraise from UTG to fold with that small of a bet....especially when he will have position on you.

You either have to give up on the hand or put him to a much harder decision.

james129 05-17-2007 11:09 AM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
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Fold preflop. The stack sizes are not right for a squeeze and you don't bluff a calling station.

As played, you have to push the flop. You may be ahead.

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What could you be ahead of? This would be a text book bluff.

betgo 05-17-2007 11:42 AM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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Fold preflop. The stack sizes are not right for a squeeze and you don't bluff a calling station.

As played, you have to push the flop. You may be ahead.

[/ QUOTE ]

What could you be ahead of? This would be a text book bluff.

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You have ace high. This moron might miniraise call without a higher ace, pp, or king. You probably have some kind of win percentage and you are getting like 2-1 pot odds. Plus he may have missed the dry flop and may fold.

You are 33% against a top 20% hand and 17% against a top 10% hand, so with pot odds pushing is a good semibluff.

Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 17.012% 15.22% 01.79% 180846 21262.50 { A9o }
Hand 1: 82.987% 81.20% 01.79% 964629 21262.50 { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }


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Board: Ks 8d 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.532% 29.26% 03.27% 679557 76018.50 { A9o }
Hand 1: 67.468% 64.19% 03.27% 1490946 76018.50 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+ }

Hoop Addict 05-17-2007 07:29 PM

Re: My Squeeze got called. How do I proceed?
 
If I push the flop - do I get mid-high PP's to fold often?

Would 99-QQ fold very often in that spot with a K on the flop? I'm assuming if he was playing any pocket under 8 he'd have to fold it?

As mentioned in my OP, the button had previously stolen pots from UTG quite often post flop, which is why I Wasn't overly concerned with his holdings when I made the original raise.

If I bet weak (say 30K again) does this get him to fold anytime? And if he were soving that, would I be committed to calling the 35K? (I assume the answer would be yes to that).


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