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I just sent this email to Pokerstars, if you get a minute send something similar along, please:

[email protected], [email protected], [email protected]

Hello,

I'm writing to ask that Pokerstars consider adding Kansas City Lowball (2-7, Single Draw, No Limit Lowball) as one of the games spread for both cash and tournament purposes.

I've enjoyed the new "other games" offerings from Pokerstars recently, especially Pot Limit Draw and 2-7 Triple Draw and I feel that adding Kansas City Lowball would reach a great number of players that have played previously, yet have no other place to play online. I also feel that because of the similarities between Kansas City Lowball and No Limit Texas Hold 'Em, the "pure poker" aspect of Kansas City Lowball will appeal greatly to your largest player base.

Please consider making Pokerstars the online home of Kansas City Lowball.

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lol at the bunny with a pancake on its head thats is awesome,

to op it would help if u added a link to how kansas city lowball is played, I have only heard of the game and have no clue what this game is a bout

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Antes or not?

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I just found my new background! Sweet

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Great idea! I'd also love to see them start spreading follow the queen or baseball. Wouldn't that be awesome?!?!

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LOL @ the bunny!

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Great idea! I'd also love to see them start spreading follow the queen or baseball. Wouldn't that be awesome?!?!

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You don't know what Kansas City Lowball is, do you?

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lol at the bunny with a pancake on its head thats is awesome,

to op it would help if u added a link to how kansas city lowball is played, I have only heard of the game and have no clue what this game is a bout

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http://www.tournamentmonitor.com/rules/lowball.aspx

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From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL. I also think more people would play the former and that they would also lose their money to good players more gradually. In either case, implementing either is a silly idea and an unnecessary distraction. Let's add 5-card stud while we're at it!

IMO, stars only added 5-card draw for completeness' sake, and TD/RAZZ/HORSE because they're popular (re)additions to the WSOP.

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IMO, stars only added 5-card draw for completeness' sake, and TD/RAZZ/HORSE because they're popular (re)additions to the WSOP.

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http://www.pokerpages.com/tournament/result15152.htm

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From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL. I also think more people would play the former and that they would also lose their money to good players more gradually. In either case, implementing either is a silly idea and an unnecessary distraction. Let's add 5-card stud while we're at it!


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Fine with me. There are a number of sites that have 5 card stud. The programming differences between adding wild card games and adding a WSOP bracelet game that is part of the regular rotation in the big game are negligible.

As far as popularity goes, my suspicion is that once the NLHE players see the similarities between KCL and NLHE, they'd add a few KCL tourneys to their slate.

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KCL? What are you, a sadist???

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If Stars were to offer Soko, that will be the day!

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From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL.

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KCL is just no limit triple draw with two fewer rounds. Since they already have NL TD, there's virtually no programming effort involved.

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From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL. I also think more people would play the former and that they would also lose their money to good players more gradually. In either case, implementing either is a silly idea and an unnecessary distraction. Let's add 5-card stud while we're at it!

IMO, stars only added 5-card draw for completeness' sake, and TD/RAZZ/HORSE because they're popular (re)additions to the WSOP.

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Stars already offers No Limit Triple Draw 2-7. KCL is the exact same game with only 1 draw. I dont see how it would be that hard to reprogram the game to limit it to only 1 draw.

I was surprised when I first saw the Stars NL 2-7 TD games. I had assumed that the games would be single draw (IE KCL) not TD. Ive never seen NLTD in a cardroom here in CA. But I have seen KCL before. Personally I think NLTD is kind of a silly game. It plays better with 1 draw.

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From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL.

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KCL is just no limit triple draw with two fewer rounds. Since they already have NL TD, there's virtually no programming effort involved.

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It slipped my mind that they already had NLTD.

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From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL. I also think more people would play the former and that they would also lose their money to good players more gradually. In either case, implementing either is a silly idea and an unnecessary distraction. Let's add 5-card stud while we're at it!

IMO, stars only added 5-card draw for completeness' sake, and TD/RAZZ/HORSE because they're popular (re)additions to the WSOP.

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Stars already offers No Limit Triple Draw 2-7. KCL is the exact same game with only 1 draw. I dont see how it would be that hard to reprogram the game to limit it to only 1 draw.

I was surprised when I first saw the Stars NL 2-7 TD games. I had assumed that the games would be single draw (IE KCL) not TD. Ive never seen NLTD in a cardroom here in CA. But I have seen KCL before. Personally I think NLTD is kind of a silly game. It plays better with 1 draw.

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Yeah, I like how he rails against spreading a game that is played in many casinos and even more homegames, yet has no problem with NLTD.

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KCL? What are you, a sadist???

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As a tournament game, it plays better than pretty much everything except NLHE.

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As a tournament game, it plays better than everything.

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FYP.

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As a tournament game, it plays better than everything.

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FYP.

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Well, yeah, but I don't want to oversell here. Most players here don't even know what it is.

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From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL.

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KCL is just no limit triple draw with two fewer rounds. Since they already have NL TD, there's virtually no programming effort involved.

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Yes, and follow the queen is just seven card stud with a different hand evaluator algorithm.

Let's add 5 card draw where the dealer gets to frame a card before the deal!!

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From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL.

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KCL is just no limit triple draw with two fewer rounds. Since they already have NL TD, there's virtually no programming effort involved.

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Yes, and follow the queen is just seven card stud with a different hand evaluator algorithm.

Let's add 5 card draw where the dealer gets to frame a card before the deal!!

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The only time that Binion's spread KCL as a $1500 freeze-out at the WSOP, it drew 111 entrants. The same year Triple Draw only drew 89 and Razz drew 120.

The $5,000 rebuy KCL event has been drawing more and more competitors since it's been spread and is considered the toughest bracelet to win at the WSOP.

You somehow keep suggeting that KCL is an "odd game", yet it's a WSOP event and it's spread in a ton of casinos, though mostly in the west. Maybe you're an east coaster, but to suggest that KCL is less popular than Razz or TD seems a bit silly to anyone that is aware of the game and how much it's played.

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From a programming standpoint, I think it would be easier for them to take their 7 card stud engine and implement follow the queen than it would be to take their triple draw engine and implement KCL.

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KCL is just no limit triple draw with two fewer rounds. Since they already have NL TD, there's virtually no programming effort involved.

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Yes, and follow the queen is just seven card stud with a different hand evaluator algorithm.

Let's add 5 card draw where the dealer gets to frame a card before the deal!!

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The only time that Binion's spread KCL as a $1500 freeze-out at the WSOP, it drew 111 entrants. The same year Triple Draw only drew 89 and Razz drew 120.

The $5,000 rebuy KCL event has been drawing more and more competitors since it's been spread and is considered the toughest bracelet to win at the WSOP.

You somehow keep suggeting that KCL is an "odd game", yet it's a WSOP event and it's spread in a ton of casinos, though mostly in the west. Maybe you're an east coaster, but to suggest that KCL is less popular than Razz or TD seems a bit silly to anyone that is aware of the game and how much it's played.

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Let me address your points individually:

1) The only time that Binion's spread KCL as a $1500 freeze-out at the WSOP, it drew 111 entrants. The same year Triple Draw only drew 89 and Razz drew 120.

So you're saying that razz drew more entrants, and that the TD event with a ?higher? buy-in drew less.

2) The $5,000 rebuy KCL event has been drawing more and more competitors since it's been spread and is considered the toughest bracelet to win at the WSOP.

Although it is drawing more and more entrants every year, I think that the field that it does draw would be the most difficult to survive through regardless of which game is being played.

3) You somehow keep suggeting that KCL is an "odd game", yet it's a WSOP event and it's spread in a ton of casinos, though mostly in the west.

Is the west coast casino crowd stars primary target market? Do you think that more people are familiar with crazy wild card games or KCL?

3a) You somehow keep suggeting that KCL is an "odd game", yet it's a WSOP event and it's spread in a ton of casinos, though mostly in the west.

I guess I have been suggesting that seeing as how I've only made sarcastic replies in this thread. My main concern is that fish will lose their money too quickly playing this game, and that in the current online poker environment I would prefer they dump their cash elsewhere. I don't mind if Stars adds KCL, I'd just like to see it happen in November or ideally 2008.

4) Maybe you're an east coaster

Funny american comment, the world is only comprised of one continent after all.

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I guess I have been suggesting that seeing as how I've only made sarcastic replies in this thread. My main concern is that fish will lose their money too quickly playing this game, and that in the current online poker environment I would prefer they dump their cash elsewhere. I don't mind if Stars adds KCL, I'd just like to see it happen in November or ideally 2008.


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So you're also against NLHE?

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So you're also against NLHE?

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Yes, and I hate the world poker tour too. Nothing good has come from either.

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4) Maybe you're an east coaster

Funny american comment, the world is only comprised of one continent after all.

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Now it really makes sense. If you aren't american, you just found out about poker 5 years ago and you certainly don't know anything other than PLO or NLHE.

Lowball is quintessential poker. It's been around longer than NLHE and dominated vegas prior to NLHE. KCL was one of the original five games played at the first WSOP. In 71, when it came time to decide which game would comprise the Main Event, it came down to KCL or NLHE.

KCL is widely established and is never compared to wild-card stud variants except by the most ignorant.

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Now it really makes sense. If you aren't american, you just found out about poker 5 years ago and you certainly don't know anything other than PLO or NLHE.


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You're not helping yourself.

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I would probably lose so much money if Stars started offering wild card games. They should start a 'Home Game' section where every table is dealer choice between like 20 different crazy games. I'd seriously go broke just fooling around there.

Also why are people in this thread so damn bitter?

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I would probably lose so much money if Stars started offering wild card games. They should start a 'Home Game' section where every table is dealer choice between like 20 different crazy games. I'd seriously go broke just fooling around there.

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The point is that KCL is nothing like a silly home game wild card game. A certain poster is trying to relegate it to that status and is very wrong.

There is at least one player in the poker hall of fame because he's considered to be the best KCL player in history.

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http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/

"2-7 Triple Draw

Sometimes called Kansas City Lowball, Deuce to Seven Triple Draw is a lowball game that forces you to make the worst possible hand and gives you three draws to do it."

*sigh*

Please email stars and ask for SINGLE draw, which is actually KCL.

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Yes, and I hate the world poker tour too. Nothing good has come from either.

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Shana Hiatt.

Also, I am sure that if there's enough demand, a game like KCL could be added. [email protected] is your friend.

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The point is that KCL is nothing like a silly home game wild card game.


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You're right, it differs because it was once in played in casinos. Beyond that, the differences are lost on me. I'll buy that it was once considered a leading candidate for the main event of the WSOP. People will always want to play the game they are most familiar with and if it was very common at the time (as you stated) then that explains it.

Some people don't like learning new games and want to keep playing their favorite and/or best one. Some people will even get angry when others don't want to play, and will go off on verbal tirades. Sound familiar?

Take a deep breath, relax, and adapt to changing times and new games. Your anger will only hurt you.

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Yes, and I hate the world poker tour too. Nothing good has come from either.

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Shana Hiatt.

Also, I am sure that if there's enough demand, a game like KCL could be added. [email protected] is your friend.

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I think you only read the last 2 pages of this thread.

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The point is that KCL is nothing like a silly home game wild card game.


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You're right, it differs because it was once in played in casinos. Beyond that, the differences are lost on me. I'll buy that it was once considered a leading candidate for the main event of the WSOP. People will always want to play the game they are most familiar with and if it was very common at the time (as you stated) then that explains it.

Some people don't like learning new games and want to keep playing their favorite and/or best one. Some people will even get angry when others don't want to play, and will go off on verbal tirades. Sound familiar?

Take a deep breath, relax, and adapt to changing times and new games. Your anger will only hurt you.

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What qualities of KCL make you think it's similar to wild card games?

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Yes, and I hate the world poker tour too. Nothing good has come from either.

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Shana Hiatt.

Also, I am sure that if there's enough demand, a game like KCL could be added. [email protected] is your friend.

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Didja get the memo about the cover sheets on the TPS Reports?

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I just sent this email to Pokerstars, if you get a minute send something similar along, please:

[email protected], [email protected], [email protected]

Hello,

I'm writing to ask that Pokerstars consider adding Kansas City Lowball (2-7, Single Draw, No Limit Lowball) as one of the games spread for both cash and tournament purposes.

I've enjoyed the new "other games" offerings from Pokerstars recently, especially Pot Limit Draw and 2-7 Triple Draw and I feel that adding Kansas City Lowball would reach a great number of players that have played previously, yet have no other place to play online. I also feel that because of the similarities between Kansas City Lowball and No Limit Texas Hold 'Em, the "pure poker" aspect of Kansas City Lowball will appeal greatly to your largest player base.

Please consider making Pokerstars the online home of Kansas City Lowball.

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The point is that KCL is nothing like a silly home game wild card game.


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You're right, it differs because it was once in played in casinos. Beyond that, the differences are lost on me. I'll buy that it was once considered a leading candidate for the main event of the WSOP. People will always want to play the game they are most familiar with and if it was very common at the time (as you stated) then that explains it.

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Because you've never seen it spread doesn't mean it isn't.

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Those of us who play non-holdem games perhaps get a little annoyed at being patronized by people who only play holdem when we suggest we'd like to play something else.

You may only want to eat french fries, but I like all sorts of vegetables. "I remember when I was a kid, I ate gravel!"

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If Stars were to offer Soko, that will be the day!

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This would be so totally super awesome.
I like the idea of KCL!

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Kansas City Low Ball is just an inferior version of 2-7 Triple draw. Having 1 draw makes it far more simpler and more lucky-prone than three draws. I think 2-7 TD should just replace Kansas City Lowball everywhere..