floating RR pot, deep NL200
 

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $437.20
CO: $125.50
Button: $200
SB: $515.15
BB: $215.80

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $24</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($50, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $24</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($98, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $64</font>, Hero calls.


villain had pretty nitty stats but somewhat high wtsd. my image is very aggro. I 3bet a lot, c-r every other flop, etc

Re: floating RR pot, deep NL200
 

fine. i also might make the turn like $188 or something.

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Against a nit, I think he generally has a hand when he fires again on the turn. So you probably have pretty reasonable implied odds. I wouldn't raise though for that reason.

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Fine, althuogh I think I'd rather raise flop than call here. K is definetely a great card to have hit the flop.

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You don't even have a gutshot. I know you are floating but it's way better to have some non-zero chance of improving in case your float goes badly than to call this flop.

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the flop call is crap.

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You don't even have a gutshot. I know you are floating but it's way better to have some non-zero chance of improving in case your float goes badly than to call this flop.

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With that said, you hit an almost perfect turn card. What's your plan if he checks a ragged river?

Re: floating RR pot, deep NL200
 

This is fine I guess, although I"m not crazy about the flop float with zero draw. You have 12 well disguised outs though on the turn as he won't expect the backdoor draws to hit. You could also possibly bluff a diamond river as you've played this just like a diamond flush draw would.

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If you are going to float with air, you have to raise that turn.

As played you are pushing any river right?

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If you are going to float with air, you have to raise that turn.


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Seems very bad to me. He hit the ONE card in the deck where it would suck if his opponent pushed over his turn raise.

I'd rather raise any other card, especially a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and call this particular card.

I still think floating with complete air (not even a gut shot) is stupid spew.

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If you are going to float with air, you have to raise that turn.

As played you are pushing any river right?

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what?

why?

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villain had pretty nitty stats but somewhat high wtsd.

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the worst type of player to try this against, especially in a 3-bet pot.

Re: floating RR pot, deep NL200
 

ya raise the flop
raise the turn
why are you calling so much?

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these people raising the turn are out of their mind wackos.

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If you are calling this flop then what is your plan on the turn? The ol' double float??

What is your plan on a blank river if he bets again? Don't you think it will look like complete air if you raise ai/shove after a check on river? The line taken looks nothing like a hand that beats AK, AA...and since he bet the turn I would believe his range is easily AA, KK, AK. But if he is betting QQ, JJ then the river will be an easy place to take it from him. But if he has AA, AK he may just check a blank river to you and let you bluff off...which is exactly what I would expect an aggro player to do in this type of situation. Once you smooth call the turn I would never expect you to have much of a hand.

Re: floating RR pot, deep NL200
 

all streets are standard (flop depends on villain, but floating in position is teh sexytime)

raising the turn is bad

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flop call is so, so, bad. if we had three to a straight and a BDFD AND there weren't already a flush draw out, ok, fine.

meh, you got to the turn, so whatever, now that we're here, please do not raise

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flop call is so, so, bad. if we had three to a straight and a BDFD AND there weren't already a flush draw out, ok, fine.

meh, you got to the turn, so whatever, now that we're here, please do not raise

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Flop call is not bad. Do you know what floating is and why it is effective?

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flop call is so, so, bad. if we had three to a straight and a BDFD AND there weren't already a flush draw out, ok, fine.



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If villian is cbetting frequently we should call here some of the time. This is a great flop to float. There are so many cards that we can bluff on the turn, and if he has something like JJ, he's going to have a hard time calling a bet OOP on the turn regardless of what falls.

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yea if u want to get tricky u should be c/r'ing the flop, i wouldnt buy a turn raise here as nething strong and prolly 3 bet u

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yea if u want to get tricky u should be c/r'ing the flop, i wouldnt buy a turn raise here as nething strong and prolly 3 bet u

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did you read the HH?

ASpoker i really think this is a terrible flop call. this board isn't that scary. even if he has QQ you're gonna probably have to fire turn AND river to get him to fold it.

Re: floating RR pot, deep NL200
 

these never ever work for me, so i don't try them anymore.

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The flop float looks spewy. This board hits his range well. He's not usually going to just give up on the turn.

Raising the turn would be rediculous. It would turn a pretty profitable situation into a marginal to -EV situation.

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Guys keep in mind we have nearly 400 more behind after I call the flop, which is four PSBs.

Basically I think the flop call is going to be good if villain defines his hand on the turn somewhat. Do you guys think villain is ever firing a second barrel with QQ/JJ? Probably not, right?

Turn raise would be really bad. I doubt I have folding equity and it would kill my implied odds. My outs are very well disguised and he has AA/AK/KK almost every time IMO.

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If you are going to float with air, you have to raise that turn.

As played you are pushing any river right?

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man u guys are too aggro

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Guys keep in mind we have nearly 400 more behind after I call the flop, which is four PSBs.

Basically I think the flop call is going to be good if villain defines his hand on the turn somewhat. Do you guys think villain is ever firing a second barrel with QQ/JJ? Probably not, right?

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You can't just be worried about the double barreling with JJ/QQ. There's also the problem about the times he plays to check raise the turn and even him check/calling the turn puts you in a horrible spot.

You're calling hoping he will do nothing but check/fold the turn, and I don't think much of his range takes that line.

Re: floating RR pot, deep NL200
 

what else does he have to do to show strengh? 3 betting oop, firing twice on a board that has most like NOT missed him? why would you wanna raise the turn in a spot where semibluffing brings like close to 0 fold equity and forfeit your chance to draw "cheaply"?? even tho i'm a limit player, i think the flopcall isn't that great with no pair/no draw and basically not the slightest showdown value.. but hell.. what do i know

Re: floating RR pot, deep NL200
 

lolaments

I play it the same and depending on the river you probably win this pot like a lot

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What is the plan if a blank hits on the river? Give up? Or bluff to the river check?

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What is the plan if a blank hits on the river? Give up? Or bluff to the river check?

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define blank

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define blank

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a non diamond, spade, 8, or ace

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define blank

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a non diamond, spade, 8, or ace

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An A is a marvelous card, usually