How did Joe Hachem do it?
 

Having just finished watching the WSOP main event ESPN series, I'm seriously asking this question about Joe Hachem's style and what we can learn about it.

I've been reading numerous articles on how being aggressive is better, caution aggressive styles (negreanu). And then I look at Joe Hachem's style. He seemed to be extremely patient, waiting for premium hands and just playing them well. His instinct in avoiding busts is quite uncanny (the trip 9's hand by Dannemann in their very funny verbal exchange is one example).

So what is Hachem's style that got him the largest cash prize in poker history?

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RUNNIN GOOD

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this isnt like wimbledon or a chess tournament. he played solid and ran good. not too much else.

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i believe he stayed at a holiday inn express

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I think that understanding how the top players play can really help our games. However, this is like asking how someone who buys one powerball ticket can win hundreds of millions when another person buys 20 and doesn't "cash".

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rofl

Anyone who has a basic understanding of tournament poker and get's extremely lucky in all the right spots has just as good a chance as he did...wasn't like he did anything groundbreaking to give him some great edge. Pushing with Q-7 all in against a guy who can't fold anything was brilliant though, I must say....

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Fosters. Lots and lots of Fosters.

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Fosters. Lots and lots of Fosters.

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No Australian actually drinks Fosters. It's really bad beer, there's far better down here (although, compared to the big American beers, Fosters is nectar of the Gods.)

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He took everyone else's sugar.

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he had the new B&M pattern mapper v1.5

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PokerProphecy

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Fosters. Lots and lots of Fosters.

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No Australian actually drinks Fosters. It's really bad beer, there's far better down here (although, compared to the big American beers, Fosters is nectar of the Gods.)

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I figured, I know. I did not know, that's probably true.

>Budweiser

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he had the new B&M pattern mapper v1.5

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LOL

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I sort of figured fosters was like MGD or COor or something, lots of americans drink those beerse but no one who knows about beer does.

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We learned at business school (from a very knowledgeable beer-guzzling professor) that Foster's is like their Colt 45 malt liquor, consumed by alcoholic Skid Row bums, and through th emagic of marketing, they sent it around the world.

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If Moneymaker can do it, how can Hachem not?

Or any semi-decent poker player for that matter?

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Fosters. Lots and lots of Fosters.

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No Australian actually drinks Fosters. It's really bad beer, there's far better down here (although, compared to the big American beers, Fosters is nectar of the Gods.)

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I hear you drink VB and something called 4X, which says XXXX on the can. If I ever go to Australia, I am buying some XXXX for sure, because I want to be like the alcoholic guy in cartoons drinking moonshine out of the XXX jug.

(and I also hear that the joke is the beer is named XXXX because [wherever it's from] people are too dumb to spell "beer")

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how does the winner of a 7000 player tournament NOT get smashed over the head by the deck?

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how does the winner of a 7000 player tournament NOT get smashed over the head by the deck?

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not even 6000

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We learned at business school (from a very knowledgeable beer-guzzling professor) that Foster's is like their Colt 45 malt liquor, consumed by alcoholic Skid Row bums, and through th emagic of marketing, they sent it around the world.

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Similar to Heineken in Holland and Stella in Belgium.

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i believe he stayed at a holiday inn express

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PotD

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He took everyone else's sugar.

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They passed it to him. He didn't take it.

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His instinct in avoiding busts is quite uncanny (the trip 9's hand by Dannemann in their very funny verbal exchange is one example).

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Was this one really that good? I just saw it the other day. He has the AK-nut flush draw, but Dannenman wasn't at all fazed by Hachem's check-raise to 1,000,000. I'd think most players (worthy of playing the Main Event) could fold that.

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Fosters. Lots and lots of Fosters.

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No Australian actually drinks Fosters. It's really bad beer, there's far better down here (although, compared to the big American beers, Fosters is nectar of the Gods.)

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I hear you drink VB and something called 4X, which says XXXX on the can. If I ever go to Australia, I am buying some XXXX for sure, because I want to be like the alcoholic guy in cartoons drinking moonshine out of the XXX jug.

(and I also hear that the joke is the beer is named XXXX because [wherever it's from] people are too dumb to spell "beer")

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haha fosters wtf... ill bet he has never even seen a can of that export

and if u come to melbourne (home of crown casino) u wont see any forex we dont have it either (i think its only in queensland, maybe in sydney as well). tooheys and carlton draught are the mainstream beers here, tho they both suck.

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and to the op no offense to you or joe but when you play more poker you will understand how much impact luck has on tournament results.

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Pass The Sugah!

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Stella Artois is ok, I love Heineken. I believe it or not I think MGD is actually pretty good.

Anyone try that Budweiser select?! OH MY GOD PREMIUM!

no

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ugh

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you can only do so much at a huge poker tournament, the cards have to fall your way mainly, plus he had a kick ass boomerang to throw at the dealer.

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we saw him play like, fifteen hands, tops.

how can you comment on his style after only seeing a couple of hands?

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because the levels are long and the stacks are big, theres no need to be crazy aggressive like in an online tournament for example. a solid TAG game coupled with a few moves is enough to win the WSOP, you just have to be luckier than the rest of the players with the skills to win it.

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You are aware that you only saw maybe 1% of the hands he played?

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Hands like this help. Skip to the last post if you want to see what they had....

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1

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I'd think most players (worthy of playing the Main Event)

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i have no idea what this means.

Most of the players in the main-event were pretty mediocre.

Playing in the main-event does not mean that you're actually good. It just means that you are playing in the main-event.



It plays like a big online-tourney....with guys like Chan, Raymer, etc also sitting at the tables.

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From the hands we saw, it looked like Joe was really good at winning races. I believe he folded AA once in a huge pot (guy hit a set or something). Otherwise, he ran good, never lost a race when all of his chips were in and won the 3 way "race" when Tex made a move at the pot.

Hachem played well, but he didn't do anything that special from what I saw on TV> They didn't show him bluffing, they didn't show him do much. All the really showed was him making a semi bluff with j9 one time into k7 and k5 on a 710K flop and then him being allin and winning over and over.

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Hachem was a really short-stack with 6 or so players left.

Of course he was winning his all-in's.


Knowing when to appropriately go all-in helps too of course. But it's no secret that you have to get lucky to win the WSOP.



This is about as obvious as it gets.


I recently won a 1200 player MTT online.
I'll tell you how I did it.
I ran well.

When I had 94 in the BB the flop would come 994 and some poor guy had A9 in LP.
When I had a huge stack I get all-in with QQ and pull off a triple-knockout when I catch a straight on board of 89JAT to knock out AA, KK and AK.


You play as well as you can. And then you run well.
That's how you win the WSOP.

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He's the luckiest player who made the fewest mistakes. Just like past WSOP winners.

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He was short stack at the table however the stacks were deep compared to the blinds (nature of the large field) thus he was under no pressure to shove all his chips in (his M was very high, for you HoH people). He let a few others bust out ($$$ for him) and picked up some nice hands to make big chip scores with.

He just played very patiently and very well and the cards fell his way (aka Dannamen could have hit a set in that 3 way hand Hachem had JJ, in which case Dannamen is gonna take 1st)

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Similar to Heineken in Holland and Stella in Belgium.

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This makes me wonder if somewhere in the world people are making a big fuss about Old Milwaukee... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Fosters. Lots and lots of Fosters.

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No Australian actually drinks Fosters. It's really bad beer, there's far better down here (although, compared to the big American beers, Fosters is nectar of the Gods.)

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Gimme a bit 'o the Green!