how many hands before stats are reliable
 

Hi,

I've been using poker tracker for a couple of days now and I've compiled about 5K hands. How much hands do you believe is required before the "variance" or luck factor doesn't interfere with the stats ?

I want your opinion or personal experience !

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About 1500

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fitty+ ld0 n00b

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1/2; either they're reliable or they're not.

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If you don't have two hands stats are the least of your problems.

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About 1500

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Ya, this is about right. If you are down after 1500 or at most 2k hands you should probably quit poker because you're obv a losing player.

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About 150

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It depends; if you get sucked out on a lot during your sample then you obviously have to start over since that's not a good representation.

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About 1500

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It depends; if you get sucked out on a lot during your sample then you obviously have to start over since that's not a good representation.

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bwuahahehahaha .. loved that one. should be stickied

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I like to just use my biggest winning hand from my session for my winrate. This encourages me and shows me what i can do when I play to the best of my potential.

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67 hands, i had the same winrate after 67 hands that i do now after 150k+ hands at the same level so i'm pretty sure 67 is the answer

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u don't need stats in poker. u need CAJONES

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lol

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you forgot 67 ... :S

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hahahah [censored] redic. I highly suggest stickying not only the sticky suggestion above but the entire post.

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I like to just use my biggest winning hand from my session for my winrate. This encourages me and shows me what i can do when I play to the best of my potential.

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Also acceptable.

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the answer to the question is 172,144 hands

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384 + / - 3

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Stats are never reliable because poker is a game of luck.

Example: I had AA against my opponent's AKo. The stats say I should reliably win this, but my opponent draws a four-flush on me and I lose.

Stats should be ignored.

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1500-2000 is a pretty solid figure.

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About 1500

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Ya, this is about right. If you are down after 1500 or at most 2k hands you should probably quit poker because you're obv a losing player.

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ROFL, you are BATSHT INSANE.

Two ways, check probability forum for formula that uses win rate and standard deviation.

Or, make sure your won $ when saw flop is >42% and filter your PT for all hands that went to showdown (Wont be more than 500). Figure out your money weighted average equity for each street then average it for all hands. If you are above 50% in money weighted average equity, and your won $ when saw flop is greater than 33%, you are probably good. Otherwise, quit poker.

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About tree-fitty

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5 tournaments

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5 tournaments

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two words: jamie gold

he only played in 1 tournament that i know of and he's the best player in the world/world champion

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About 1500

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Ya, this is about right. If you are down after 1500 or at most 2k hands you should probably quit poker because you're obv a losing player.

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ROFL, you are BATSHT INSANE.

Two ways, check probability forum for formula that uses win rate and standard deviation.

Or, make sure your won $ when saw flop is >42% and filter your PT for all hands that went to showdown (Wont be more than 500). Figure out your money weighted average equity for each street then average it for all hands. If you are above 50% in money weighted average equity, and your won $ when saw flop is greater than 33%, you are probably good. Otherwise, quit poker.

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umm no.... 1500 is in fact correct.

rvg

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You've never heard of a person having 2k hand breakeven stretch....lol u r smaaaaaaarrrrrrtttttt

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1500 is about right for me.

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You've never heard of a person having 2k hand breakeven stretch....lol u r smaaaaaaarrrrrrtttttt

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Trust me, i've played thousands of hands and no way a good player breaks even over 2000 hands. 2000 hands is like 70 hours in a live game. You are trying to say a poker pro could work for 70 hours and not make a profit????

rvg

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ohhhhhh you play live... you are in for a surprise in 2 years...also one of the more respected players on this forum, CTS, has had 100k breakeven stretches. Unless you only use tells or something and never play ur cards (Jen Harman?)....

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200+

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just do what most people do here, make your own stats up

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2 from each position, 3 if you want to be 100% sure

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300,000

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do you people even know how much time it would take to put in 1500 hands?? id say 150 hands ought to be enough to see where you stand

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Software or Zoo forums ftw?

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300,000

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Are you crazy? 1, you only need 1 hand!!!

Between, I have another question:
How many answers do you need at BBV to get the correct one? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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how many hands does it take to screw in a light bulb?

ANSWER: 1, one to screw in the light bulb and the other to masturbate when you're done!! LOL!

in all seriousness i have no idea sorry

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How many answers do you need at BBV to get the correct one? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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1500

also, SALAZARRRR!