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RustyJay 05-10-2007 04:28 PM

The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
I'll probably get in Mod Hell for this. But, in reading all this stuff about FTP bots and other threads, I continually see in depth discussion about the issue of multiple players per hand in online play.

I think the issue deserves its own thread. And let me start it off by giving my opinion: While it certainly is not at all enforceable (USING THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY). I think, at its core the concept of one player per hand is just as important for online play as it is for B&M play. To me, that means that as the technology becomes available enforcement of this core poker philosophy should follow.

Even right now, sites do what they can to enforce this philosophy. Things like turning off observer chat late in tournaments and disabling chat all together when a player is all in show that PokerStars is trying to do what it can in the respect.

Posers constantly float the argument that if a site doesn't explicitly state the single player per hand rule than it's OK. Well, I guess technically, they are correct, but I think there off-base on the core concept of poker, which is that during game play, poker is ALWAYS an individual effort, and having others coaching you during a hand goes agaisnt this.

-RJ

LucidDream 05-10-2007 04:38 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
I wasn't aware that this was a BIG issue.

AJackson 05-10-2007 04:52 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
What are you suggesting should be done? I mean other than making a post to insure everyone knows your stance.

There is nothign that can be done. Those who choose to do this, will do so.

I think it's pretty much a non-issue. Highly skilled players aren't going to spend their days sweating unskilled players and giving advice.

*TT* 05-10-2007 05:14 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
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Posers constantly float the argument that if a site doesn't explicitly state the single player per hand rule than it's OK

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lol. I hope the real reason why you started this thread (when its a duplicate of two other threads that already exit in other forums) was to make us laugh with your hidden wit, because you just made me crack up.

john voight 05-10-2007 05:21 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
Lets say this:

I'm at a cash game, stick the rest of my 80bb stack in on a dry board. The pot is big, and the villain is in the tank. 15 seconds left to act, and some clown @ the table says something along the lines of "fold he has X", or "call he has X"

This would be unacceptable normally (I think, hence chat off for all in in MTTs), however team play is very similar to this.

Willy 05-10-2007 06:00 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
Why is this a "BIG ISSUE" ? At least at PokerStars it is allowed by their rules.

DoGGz 05-10-2007 07:29 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
I really don't think this is an issue at all, and it is definitely not a 'big' issue.

snakekilla88 05-10-2007 07:34 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
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I really think this is a retarded post, and it is definitely should be locked.

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FYP

React1oN 05-10-2007 08:01 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
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I really think this is a retarded post, and it is definitely should be locked.

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FYP

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LucidDream 05-10-2007 08:12 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
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I really think this is a retarded post, and OP should definitely have thread starting ability taken away.

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FYP

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bernie 05-10-2007 08:14 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
I agree that one player to a hand is important. However,
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While it certainly is not at all enforceable (USING THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY). I think, at its core the concept of one player per hand is just as important for online play as it is for B&M play. To me, that means that as the technology becomes available enforcement of this core poker philosophy should follow.


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There is no way to enforce it online. I don't see there ever being a way to enforce it online other than if someone were typing in the 'chat' window. Even though they do discourage it with what they do now in the examples you presented.

It's part of the package(of other questionable stuff) you get when you play online. Thems the risks.

b

soah 05-10-2007 11:29 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
You, sir, are an idiot.

TxRedMan 05-10-2007 11:49 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
In live play I agree. Online, I disagree. I've advised my Dad on how to play lots of hands while he was learning. We played a $5 SNG yesterday, and with my help we came in 3'rd. I dont find this unethical at all. If those other players knew it was going to be me playing some of those hands, making those decisions, it's not like they would have joined a different game.

Piemaster 05-11-2007 01:51 AM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
How exactly could you enforce one player to a hand online with any technology? Force everybody to rig up a video camera in their rooms to prove their is nobody sitting at the PC with them?

StrayBullet 05-11-2007 05:37 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
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In live play I agree. Online, I disagree.

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What makes the difference of being unethical, where it's played? If it's not right live, how is it right, enforceable or not, online?

curious123 05-11-2007 07:25 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
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If it's not right live, how is it right, enforceable or not, online?

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If it's not legal for me to get head in FL, how is it legal, enforceable or not, in NY?

Different rules.

vhawk01 05-11-2007 10:17 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
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If it's not right live, how is it right, enforceable or not, online?

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If it's not legal for me to get head in FL, how is it legal, enforceable or not, in NY?

Different rules.

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LOL, legal = right?

curious123 05-11-2007 10:42 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
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LOL, legal = right?

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Whatever...let me consult w/ my partner before I respond further.

felson 05-11-2007 11:01 PM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
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While it certainly is not at all enforceable (USING THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY).

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OP, thank you for bringing this BIG issue to light. Online poker is doomed until the day that each site has a live webcam feed into every home.

J_V 05-12-2007 02:03 AM

Re: The BIG issue of one player per hand in online play.
 
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We played a $5 SNG yesterday, and with my help we came in 3'rd.

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Brag post.


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