observed hand played by hock
 

found it in my db when i was looking at some mined hands from the high limits. this is from about a month ago...

hock is the sb.

PokerStars 100/200 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Flop: (1.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Button folds.

Turn: (1.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (3.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Kc Qd (one pair, kings).
SB has 7s 7h (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: BB wins 5.75 BB. </font>

it doesn't seem like he folds a better hand on the river nearly often enough. can someone explain?

sorry to call you out hock but the only reason i was looking through your hands is because i know you crush it and i'm trying to learn.

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Who was BB?

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Who was BB?

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katja thater

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Grumpy much lately victor?

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Grumpy or not, he ain't too far off.

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I don't get it, why does he have to fold a better hand on the river when he is overwhelmingly sure he has the best hand and is going to get called by several worse ones?

Checking the river would not be a good play IMO.

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Grumpy or not, he ain't too far off.

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If that's really the case it sounds like high stakes lhe games should be easy for anyone to crush....

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Well, he didn't say everyone was an overaggro maniacal donkbox, just a great deal of em', and I wholeheartedly agree. It's a variance rollercoaster that few can handle that's for sure.

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This is clearly a bluff, but I dont know how effective its going to be. It looks to me like this 3-street bluff is doomed to fail too many times to be +EV.

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I don't get it, why does he have to fold a better hand on the river when he is overwhelmingly sure he has the best hand and is going to get called by several worse ones?

Checking the river would not be a good play IMO.

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What does 77 have beat here? 22-55? I cant think of anything else..

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Sorry, was late, read results backwards, thus the confusion. Obv. ignore me....

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I apologize in advance if I'm missing something here, but if everyone is over aggro as Victor suggested, wouldn't you c/c here?

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I apologize in advance if I'm missing something here, but if everyone is over aggro as Victor suggested, wouldn't you c/c here?

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maybe if there were actually hands you beat...

Re: observed hand played by hock
 

fwiw -- I don't think there are any actually GOOD options here, but in hindsight, I agree that check/fold is probably best.

That said, there are arguments for bet/folding or even check/calling (against some opponents) also.

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Flop: (1.50 SB)

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so button openlimped and Hock just completed with 77 in the SB?

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4 sure it looks like BB has a better hand, and wouldnt fold it on this board, but if BB knows Hock is smart he will know that Hock must know that on this board he has a hand he wont fold, so......

Re: observed hand played by hock
 

You guys are all making this too complicated.

Hand reading:

BB calls on the flop. He could have a pair, he could be floating to see if we check/fold the turn.

BB calls the turn. Well, he didn't raise preflop, he didn't raise the flop, he didn't raise the turn. He probably doesn't have an ace. It's most likely he has a king or an 8.

The river is a jack, putting an A, K, and J all out there. The pot is big enough to make it worth trying to get an 8 to fold, as that'd be a ballsy call for an 8 to make. So, Hock bets it again, one last attempt to get an 8 to fold.

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It's a bad play, simple as that. We all make them, I can dig up a few funny plays others who've replied to this thread made, including me above all since I'm the biggest fish around [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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the converter screwed up and omitted preflop. here is the raw hh:

POKERSTARS GAME #9285352654: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($100/$200) - 2007/04/06 - 17:05:27 (ET)
Table 'Mirnaya' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: TheeWave ($31666 in chips)
Seat 2: chickenlittl ($3309 in chips)
Seat 4: nanonoko ($8699 in chips)
Seat 5: hock ($13213 in chips)
Seat 6: Katja Thater ($3686.50 in chips)
hock: posts small blind $50
Katja Thater: posts big blind $100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
TheeWave: folds
chickenlittl: folds
nanonoko: raises $100 to $200
hock: raises $100 to $300
Katja Thater: calls $200
nanonoko: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8c Ah]
hock: bets $100
Katja Thater: calls $100
nanonoko: folds
*** TURN *** [Ks 8c Ah] [6h]
hock: bets $200
Katja Thater: calls $200
*** RIVER *** [Ks 8c Ah 6h] [Jc]
hock: bets $200
Katja Thater: calls $200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hock: shows [7s 7h] (a pair of Sevens)
Katja Thater: shows [Kc Qd] (a pair of Kings)
Katja Thater collected $1898 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1900 | Rake $2
Board [Ks 8c Ah 6h Jc]
Seat 1: TheeWave folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: chickenlittl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: nanonoko (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: hock (small blind) showed [7s 7h] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 6: Katja Thater (big blind) showed [Kc Qd] and won ($1898) with a pair of Kings

sorry for the confusion.

Re: action corrected
 

haha well that changes a lot. Looks like hock was trying to bluff out KQ or KTs? If Katja is decent she cant have a hand like JT or TT (unless its JhTh) that hock might be able to bluff out. Seems like a pretty bad bet.

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