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Button is 20/12/2 and we've played no significant pots, sb is 17/7/.93

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $97.65
BB: $63.05
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $229.45</font>
MP: $44.10
CO: $101
BTN: $110.95

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $4, SB calls $3.50, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($13) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $9</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $26</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $93.65</font> Hero?

Anybody folding?

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nope

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No way i fold here!

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for these stacks not a chance im folding here

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I call with a fistpump...

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fold, duh

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im probably folding

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haha who ever considers folding sets unless the board is extremely coordinated(IE 789h) for 100bbs. You nit....

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fold, duh

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Heh, I was joking when I wrote this, but wow SB just 3-bet cold and he is a 17/7/NO AF whatsoever. That would make me sick, but I'm still not folding.

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I call with a fistpump...

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I'm definitely not fist pumping, but it's an easy call.

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um, fold...

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um...i never fold sets so SHOW ME BETTER HYACHAYCHACYACHACYACAHA

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What are you ahead of here?

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What are you ahead of here?

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AJdd, A8dd, AA (yes people do play AA like this).

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Yeah, fold, because there are only a shitton of hands that you beat that he could have here...

54s, flush draw with two overs, A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], QQ+...

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LOL, considering I expect button to have draw and sb to either hav etwo pair, draw, or flopped straight, I call here all day; theoretically ur gettin 3:1 odds b/c two others will probably be all in, and you have a set; so I gamboool here

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SB is 17/7/.93 and he just 3-bet cold. I don't see a guy w/ these stats making this play often w/ a draw. I probably call because I can't lay down sets for 100 BB, but this is the nuts or an over-set like always. I guess it could occasionally be a very oddly played AA...but that's about all we beat IMO.

I call...but there's definitely no fist pump.

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two pair

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I think this is a pretty small part of his range. W/ a VPIP of 17, I doubt he's cold-calling 58 from the blinds. 45s is possible I guess, but not that likely w/ us holding 44.

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pretty sure this is a fold

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this is a ridiculously easy fold and anyone here that says call is a bad, tagfish player

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LOL, considering I expect button to have draw and sb to either hav etwo pair, draw, or flopped straight

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"LOL"

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if sb really is 17/7/.8 after a significant amount of hands this is a fold. and i never fold sets

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Against just one opponent this is an obv call but given SB's nature this is close.

But, I agree with everyone when I say I'd call here but there is no fist pump and I'm quietly saying "pair the board".

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Against just one opponent this is an obv call but given SB's nature this is close.

But, I agree with everyone when I say I'd call here but there is no fist pump and I'm quietly saying "pair the board".

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i think its much much more likely to be hoping for a one outer

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I say fold, but I know I probably don't have the balls to do it at the table.

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Yeah. bottom set zucks here

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i need a read other than just preflop stats to fold this

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no way, if youre bhind vs a straight you still got 9 outs. IF

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no way, if youre bhind vs a straight you still got 9 outs. IF

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And could very easily be drawing to 1.....

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I call with a fistpump...

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I'm definitely not fist pumping, but it's an easy call.

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could´a should´a would´a ,

I think he´s vs AA or KK slow played pre

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could´a should´a would´a ,

I think he´s vs AA or KK slow played pre

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He has AA/KK pretty much never here. It's pretty much over-set or the nuts.

This is one of those hands where afterwards I look back and say "man I could have folded that"...but I suck at folding sets.

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whoaaaaa......wait a minute. A thread where folding a set on the flop is o.k.???!!! What has ssnl come to?

this is easiest call ever. sb has AA button has 99 obv. jeeeesh. what's everyone afraid of? sets are rare and we have one so the chance of them having one is even rarer. like 1,013,447 to 1 to be exact.

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I say fold, but I know I probably don't have the balls to do it at the table.

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i never fist pump, but trust my judgement when i say the best feeling in poker is making laydowns that ARE correct and 95% of people dont make

when you think about it mathematically, its pretty damn similar to stacking a donk

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btw, the key thing here is the SB. the button could have a decently wide range, but for a 17/tight/passive'er than most to shove over a bet and a raise, hero has to basically be praying that sb has exactly 54/99.

people that are tight, that see zero fold equity and shove, have a REALLY STRONG HAND. i think he's folding a combo draw and high diamonds, so his exact hand range crushes bottom set the majority of the time.

people need to stop being stupid about poker and realize situations and actually THINK LIKE POKER PLAYERS

not to hate on people, but ffs. think like a poker player. try and think like a passive nit and ask yourself what you're shoving on that board over a continuation bet and a smallish checkraise.

when you can be honest with yourself and make that fold, which is good long run, you can see your ptbb/100 go up. making folds where other people say dumb things like "LOL YOU HAVE _______ NEVER FOLD" allow you to make more than that player, and all the other players commiserate over alcohol and say "nothing you coulda done, man"

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I don't think I'd be praying for 76 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
you edit fast. not fair clayton.

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edited, i misread the board texture

854 is actually an even easier fold than 874 , as 54 is less credible in the range of sb

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Yeah, if we have any significant amount of hands on the 17/7/.93 guy this seems absurdly easy to fold. After timing out and whining for awhile of course [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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this is a ridiculously easy fold and anyone here that says call is a bad, tagfish player

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Clayton, quit being retarded. In no way could this hand ever be considered a "ridiculously easy fold." If you want to argue it's a fold, then fine, but I disagree (mainly because all we know about this guy are three little numbers with no sample size that, for me, don't mean he's so good and solid that he can ONLY have the few hands that beat you).

ugh, big laydown threads sucks.

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btw, the key thing here is the SB. the button could have a decently wide range, but for a 17/tight/passive'er than most to shove over a bet and a raise, hero has to basically be praying that sb has exactly 54/99.

people that are tight, that see zero fold equity and shove, have a REALLY STRONG HAND. i think he's folding a combo draw and high diamonds, so his exact hand range crushes bottom set the majority of the time.

people need to stop being stupid about poker and realize situations and actually THINK LIKE POKER PLAYERS

not to hate on people, but ffs. think like a poker player. try and think like a passive nit and ask yourself what you're shoving on that board over a continuation bet and a smallish checkraise.

when you can be honest with yourself and make that fold, which is good long run, you can see your ptbb/100 go up. making folds where other people say dumb things like "LOL YOU HAVE _______ NEVER FOLD" allow you to make more than that player, and all the other players commiserate over alcohol and say "nothing you coulda done, man"

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Clayton:

I think you are giving SB way too much credit here. This is probably a decent laydown at 400NL (vs. this type of player), but not here.

I see guys with 17% preflop stats call out of the blinds with suited connectors and suited aces ALL THE TIME, so I have no [censored] clue why everyone says he folds them. And I gaurantee he isn't just CALLING with those hands, no matter how nitty he is, when the action gets back to him.