A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

FWIW this table is full of terrible players. Average pot size was something like 15 BB's for about 100 hands.


Absolute Poker
Limit Omaha Ring game
Limit: $25/$50
5 players
Pre-flop: (5 players) TxRedMan is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">TxRedMan raises</font>, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">TxRedMan 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10BB, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">TxRedMan 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (22BB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, TxRedMan calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 26BB

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

Normally a call preflop (I want to keep the terrible players in) but it seems your raise means nothing to them, then it's ok.

Safe to guess the flop 3 bet would be followed by turn check if the low is not made?

Turn/river are standard.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

Preflop is a definite flat call, flop is even more so. Your hand is mediocre and you caught an average flop against people you categorise as lunatic fish, why in the world are you jamming the pot?
Obv turn and river aren't really up for discussion. UTG does seem a lot like A349 or something given the sudden aggressive action on the turn.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

call flop, you have no high at this point.
turn is o.k.
ugly river, i'm not sure you're good enough here to call even with the huge pot

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

Because the quality of your opposition is "terrible" is there a value raise on the river? 5, 8 &amp; 9 are not likely pocket pair holdings. A duece matched with one of those is not likely either. I encountered a very similar hand and my 223 full house was good. I think there is a value raise on this river.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

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Because the quality of your opposition is "terrible" is there a value raise on the river? 5, 8 &amp; 9 are not likely pocket pair holdings. A duece matched with one of those is not likely either. I encountered a very similar hand and my 223 full house was good. I think there is a value raise on this river.

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OP does not have a FH. River sucks, but I think you grit your teeth and call. Decent chance UTG has 67 for a str8 and is now betting with the nuts for high on the riv (he may not have 4 bet the turn cuz his hand was vulnerable). you're prob quartered for low, but it's worth a call.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

I dont think that UTG flat called two bets on the flop, and then failed to cap the flop with the nut straight on a two low two flush board. Much more likely he has A34 or something similar like A36 or 346.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

you might be right, but he did say these players are terrible.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

What is good with the hand:

+ A23 on a H/L is a good for the low

What is bad:
- No suits!
- A pair of 2's
- You only have a hand for the low!

What happens on the flop:
- Could be a made hand
- flushdraw
- Lots of action, a made hand or strong draws!

What happens on the turn?
- You hit a set on a borad that coudl have a made hand!
- Your A/3 becomes counterfited!
- A lot of action!

What hapens on the flop?
- You have a set of 2's!
- You are beat by most of the hands that could be held at the table
- Your low is 8 high!

A7, A6, A4, 27, 26, 24, 34, 36, 37, 46, 47, <u>67</u> have you beat for the low. I say you made a bad call on the river! You will not win the Low enough times against 4 other players to justify a call. The Nut straight have you beaten for the low!

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

The Nut straight have you beaten for the low!


You're right of course. Gotta stop looking at these on the back end of a 10 hour session.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

After reading this thread, a fold on the river now seems correct. I can't think of four sensible hands that the villains can hold where you would get any piece of this pot. The caveat is that I probably would have played this hand the same way. That 2 on the turn is very deceptive in its sweetness. Maybe a call on the turn would have been better? Other than that, the river was nasty nasty nasty.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

i don't understand the flop 3 bet in a multiway pot.

there's little to no fold equity here and you'd be better off keeping the worse lows around especially with your coutnerfeit protection.

turn is fine.

river. . .pay it off. you're probably not getting any of it but i can't see how 26:1 pay off can't be justified one way or another.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

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Preflop is a definite flat call, flop is even more so. Your hand is mediocre and you caught an average flop against people you categorise as lunatic fish, why in the world are you jamming the pot?


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LOL - There are five players and you have a nearly uncounterfeitable low hand.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

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Your hand is mediocre and you caught an average flop against people you categorise as lunatic fish, why in the world are you jamming the pot?


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Because they wont fold anything and I've got a nearly uncounterfeitable low draw, and the pot is multiway?

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

I really like the way you played this hand. You got to lay your three 2s and live ace for one bet on the river. To me, that's one of the better reasons for early aggression.

jmo

Mack

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

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I really like the way you played this hand. You got to lay your three 2s and live ace for one bet on the river. To me, that's one of the better reasons for early aggression.

jmo

Mack

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Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

Everything seems Ok except for the flop reraise. I know you said they were terrible players, but you still need them to be a part of the action if you happen to hit your low, because without it, you have lost a tremendous amount of value.

You have no draw for high so I would wait until I got there....hope that the sb sticks around on the flop because just him alone could be the decidng factor as to whether or not you gain, lose, or break dead even on the hand.

The river sucks, of course, and I'm not sure I make the call if I'm not getting last or next to last action, but considering your position, you have to call.


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FWIW this table is full of terrible players. Average pot size was something like 15 BB's for about 100 hands.


Absolute Poker
Limit Omaha Ring game
Limit: $25/$50
5 players
Pre-flop: (5 players) TxRedMan is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">TxRedMan raises</font>, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">TxRedMan 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10BB, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">TxRedMan 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (22BB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, TxRedMan calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 26BB

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Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

I know this post is old, but interesting enough that i wanted to comment. I'm real curious as to who the players were, because AP hardly ever spreads a game that big. I'm willing to bet I know a couple of them though. I've played in games like that on the site. My favorite was the pots avg. over 12BB for over an hour in a FOUR handed game.

The only disagreement from people seems to be the three bet on the flop. If you are playing in a game where you are sure everyone will call then it is a raise.

I just hope you didnt lose to a naked A-4. I pay off river, but if anyone raises I could safely muck.

Re: A223 in a 26 BB pot
 

I think you played it will from start to finish