I\'m supposed to see this as variance, not \"dumb-ass fish\" support?
 

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($49.55)
BB ($28.40)
UTG ($110.05)
UTGB ($45.25)
MP1 ($36.70)
MP2 ($16.75)
CO ($52.25)
Button ($129.30)

Preflop:
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">UTGB raises to $2.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $36.7 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG folds, UTGB calls $34.45.

Flop: ($74.65) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>.

Turn: ($74.65) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($74.65) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $74.65

UTGB has Kc Kh (one pair, kings).
MP1 has Js As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP1 wins $74.65.

Re: I\'m supposed to see this as variance, not \"dumb-ass fish\" support?
 

Js As

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You should be happy. If he just folds you only win $1.25.

When he pushes you make $26.03 Sklansky bux.

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[censored] die

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He had three immediate outs + flush draw + straight draw vs. your two outs.. Am I missing something here?

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He had three immediate outs + flush draw + straight draw vs. your two outs.. Am I missing something here?

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no, you're just not a fish

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He had three immediate outs + flush draw + straight draw vs. your two outs.. Am I missing something here?

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no, you're just not a fish

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omg you guys are both idiots. KK doesn't need to improve in order to win! And AJs does! And most of the time he won't catch an Ace, so who is the fish now, huh?

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That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me &lt;3

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He had three immediate outs + flush draw + straight draw vs. your two outs.. Am I missing something here?

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no, you're just not a fish

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omg you guys are both idiots. KK doesn't need to improve in order to win! And AJs does! And most of the time he won't catch an Ace, so who is the fish now, huh?

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LOL plz play at my tables if you're willing to go broke with a two outer vs. my 30 outers.

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He had three immediate outs + flush draw + straight draw vs. your two outs.. Am I missing something here?

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no, you're just not a fish

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omg you guys are both idiots. KK doesn't need to improve in order to win! And AJs does! And most of the time he won't catch an Ace, so who is the fish now, huh?

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LOL plz play at my tables if you're willing to go broke with a two outer vs. my 30 outers.

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But KK doesn't need "outs" because it is already "there." How can you not see this? Has everyone gone insane?!

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How do you have 4k posts and not know wtf I'm talking about??

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Fold preflop.

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This is brutal.

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How do you have 4k posts and not know wtf I'm talking about??

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lol. How do you have 290 posts and not know that KK beats AJs?

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How do you have 4k posts and not know wtf I'm talking about??

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this is too much [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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How do you have 4k posts and not know wtf I'm talking about??

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lol. How do you have 290 posts and not know that KK beats AJs?

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LOL reread OP and tell me who won again plz?

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Funny. Every. Single. Time.

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How do you have 4k posts and not know wtf I'm talking about??

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lol. How do you have 290 posts and not know that KK beats AJs?

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AC. Dude. I know it's complicated, but there is hope, you can still learn:

ultimate storehouse of poker knowledge

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I've been a member of pawket 5's since the interwebs started and I credit everything I know about the pokrs to them, it really is a great learning tool.

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How do you have 4k posts and not know wtf I'm talking about??

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lol. How do you have 290 posts and not know that KK beats AJs?

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LOL reread OP and tell me who won again plz?

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omfg it's not about who won the hand that matters. That's whats called being "results oriented." Poker is about getting your money in with the best of it. I suggest you read more 2+2 books in order to grasp this seemingly elusive concept. The fact that villian won the hand with AJs is irrelevant. Hero played his hand perfectly and this stupid donko fish that probably thinks like you do decided to push AJs because it's the "nuts" and can beat KK because "omg i can make flush and str8s."

You goddamn fish pay me bills and you don't even know it!

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wow AC makes that terrible "2 outs &lt; 6 outs" joke that I see every day so much better haaaaaaaaaaa

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There so much leveling going on here my head is about to asplode.

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You should be happy. If he just folds you only win $1.25.

When he pushes you make $26.03 Sklansky bux.

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this made me laugh. unfortunately they aren't worth a [censored] thing.

for those who missed it, in my OP he shoved PREFLOP

how many do I win for this one? I've lost the last nine goddamn [censored] times I've flopped a straight or flush. one chop, 8 losses, all for stacks.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG+1 ($86.65)
MP1 ($47.75)
MP2 ($33.40)
MP3 ($50.75)
CO ($70.60)
Button ($62.20)
Hero ($49.50)
BB ($50)
UTG ($50.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $7.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, BB folds, CO calls $7.50.

Turn: ($33) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $33.5 (All-In)</font>, CO calls $33.50.

River: ($100) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>.

Final Pot: $100

Hero has 8c 7c (flush, ten high).
CO has 9s 9d (full house, nines full of tens).
Outcome: CO wins $100.

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Okay look, I just ran the hand through pokerstove because I thought you might've been levelling or something, but it seems you're serious so here's the pre-flop results:

AsJs - 80%
KcKh - 20%

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Okay look, I just ran the hand through pokerstove because I thought you might've been levelling or something, but it seems you're serious so here's the pre-flop results:

AsJs - 80%
KcKh - 20%

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You goddamn stupid [censored] lololololol you got it all backwards! It's KK that is the favorite. And it's not 80/20 it's 67/32.

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Okay look, I just ran the hand through pokerstove because I thought you might've been levelling or something, but it seems you're serious so here's the pre-flop results:

AsJs - 80%
KcKh - 20%

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dont bother dude, hes a fish, he wont listen. Just let that stupid donk overplay KK so we can make monies of him.

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Jesus [censored] christ! And you're telling me to read more poker books?!

I'll simplify it for you.. Using the rule of two with one card to come, KK is a 4% dog.. Since all the mobnies went it pre-flop, all we have to do is multiply that number by 5 and we get.... 20%! BINGO! And it's actually worse than this since he's up against suited/straight cards.. [censored] me this is ridiculous.

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How do you have 4k posts and not know wtf I'm talking about??

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lol. How do you have 290 posts and not know that KK beats AJs?

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How does a guy with 4000+ posts get leveled so bad, or am i being leveled. First i laughed at this thread now i'm lost in a leveling parodox conundrum

LOL reread OP and tell me who won again plz?

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omfg it's not about who won the hand that matters. That's whats called being "results oriented." Poker is about getting your money in with the best of it. I suggest you read more 2+2 books in order to grasp this seemingly elusive concept. The fact that villian won the hand with AJs is irrelevant. Hero played his hand perfectly and this stupid donko fish that probably thinks like you do decided to push AJs because it's the "nuts" and can beat KK because "omg i can make flush and str8s."

You goddamn fish pay me bills and you don't even know it!

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How does a guy with 4000+ posts get leveled like this, or am I being leveled myself? First I was ammused by this thread, now I'm in a paralizing multidemensional level parodox hell of confusion.

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I think the OP levelled us all by making out this was a bad beat, nh dude.

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Jesus [censored] christ! And you're telling me to read more poker books?!

I'll simplify it for you.. Using the rule of two with one card to come, KK is a 4% dog.. Since all the mobnies went it pre-flop, all we have to do is multiply that number by 5 and we get.... 20%! BINGO! And it's actually worse than this since he's up against suited/straight cards.. [censored] me this is ridiculous.

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I give up. Maybe I will just surf p5's from now on as at least they seem to understand the hand values there. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I'm also going to x-post this there just so they can see how stupid 2p2 forum has become since the WPT "I'm all in with AJ soooooted for 72 big blinds" crowd has infilitrated here.

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Jesus [censored] christ! And you're telling me to read more poker books?!

I'll simplify it for you.. Using the rule of two with one card to come, KK is a 4% dog.. Since all the mobnies went it pre-flop, all we have to do is multiply that number by 5 and we get.... 20%! BINGO! And it's actually worse than this since he's up against suited/straight cards.. [censored] me this is ridiculous.

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I give up. Maybe I will just surf p5's from now on as at least they seem to understand the hand values there. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I'm also going to x-post this there just so they can see how stupid 2p2 forum has become since the WPT "I'm all in with AJ soooooted for 72 big blinds" crowd has infilitrated here.

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obv AsJs &gt; KK ... count the outs man

WOW.... is anyone gonna tell this guy ANYTIME soon?

lol i can't take it anymore... Slater you need to move up

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There so much leveling going on here my head is about to asplode.

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At my last home game the new guy said "So have you ever checked out the forums on pocketfives? They have some really good advice."

I nearly [censored] my pants.

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The greatest level of leveling is when one levels himself

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I don't have the energy to figure out who's being sarcastic in this thread, but it looks like everyone.

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Injection, please quit trying to teach the fish how to play. It's hard enough making money when they can't count their outs. I want these dudes calling my all ins with KK.

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ZOMG! Make. It. Stop!


WHY would you EVER play KK in the first place..I'm hurting..need..medical..heeeeellllllllllllll...... .....

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Yeah I really dunno what I was thinking when I started trying to explain why this isn't a beat, especially in BBV where strat is forbidden.. but oh well, I'll let the fish have their day and just agree that KK was a favo... ugh I just can't do it, you [censored] morans.

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You just blew my mind.

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what a bad beat. [censored] die