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im utg. SB is 37/12/0.6 after ONLY 12 HANDS.

one hand I just played with him went like this:

he raises in CO, I 3-bet AA in SB. he caps.
I check JJ8 flop, he checks behind.
I check K turn, he checks behind.
I bet K river, he folds.

Now the 99 hand.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Results in white below: 
No showdown. SB wins 5.50 BB. 

FUN BONUS HAND

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB caps, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (15 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (39 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 43 BB

wtf @ the AA hand

This looks fine. Are you folding any turn or just an A or K?

Cap check = nuts so I was going to check call down.

Oh yeah i'm only folding to a turn A or K. Js or Ts gives me ~6 outs if behind.

What was your plan with the flop call? Call down on safe cards? I think vs this type of player who is inclined to do weird postflop moves as demonstrated I think I will 4 bet here to make the hand more straight forward, and I think If i am continuing past the flop it is definitely with a raise.

The AA hand is puzzling.

The 99 hand preflop is a spot where I take control against an unknown. If I have more info on the guy than I may just call and play poker.

The 22 hand is some spew on the turn unless you are doing it for value, which I believe you are. And looking at it again, I see that your value is much worse than 3.7-1. MP may have a bigger set or two pair.

you're right about the turn JT. i always say that pumping a draw on the turn is basically always -EV and this was no exception. the problem is that my outs are bound to be in other hands (i knew button had a straight tho). was just hard to resist capping with 5 people in.

I like how you played the 99 hand as long as you were calling all non-ace non-king turns.

FUN BONUS HAND is pretty sick. that's the biggest pot (in terms of BBs) that I've ever seen. btw I think the turn cap is probably -ev but it's close.

Think I'd rather raise the flop or just fold any turn instead of call & call a non A/K turn.

The fun bonus hand isn't nearly as fun without results!

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Think I'd rather raise the flop or just fold any turn instead of call & call a non A/K turn.

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i felt weird about him after the AA hand with him. i didn't want to put more bets in than i needed to to showdown.

Results to the fun bonus hand:

I was pumping a one outer and button had A3. SB had KsTs and MP had 44.

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i felt weird about him after the AA hand with him.

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What? You don't like playing in position with slightly erratic players who probably lean towards passive but can make a wierd raise from time to time. With the 99 hand, I build the pot and let it tell me what to do in position. Capvin position and call down if he re-takes the lead. You can decide on the turn if you want to check it through if he doesn't re-take it. Really basic stuff

i'm talking about postflop after i decided to call preflop.

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i'm talking about postflop after i decided to call preflop.

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I don't know. You need 25% equity..close either way. Give him a hand range and see if you were right.

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Think I'd rather raise the flop or just fold any turn instead of call & call a non A/K turn.

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i felt weird about him after the AA hand with him. i didn't want to put more bets in than i needed to to showdown.

Results to the fun bonus hand:

I was pumping a one outer and button had A3. SB had KsTs and MP had 44.

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gotta love sb's river call.

99 hand = standard no?
Youre ahead of AJ (which has a 10 outs) and randomness only
You may be able to fold out JJ/TT to a raise but it sure it aint worth it. Im considering the fact the sample size is small so the "randomness" elemnt increases a bit, but not nearly enough.

pre-flop capping im indifferent to without a read. Probabily leaning towards capping

On the flop, a plan of calling down allows you to get value from AK/AJ from a river check. Avoids you ever folding the best hand to counter agression, gives you a shot at hitting your 2 outer on the river and gains the most from AK/AJ (while loses the most to hands your behind) It also allows you to get away from a A,K turn/river cheaply.

I hate raising for information against a relative unknown. If they happen to be spazzy you fold the best hand and lose oppurtunity to have made a decent amount of money when they bluff it off at you. You only really save a SB by raising for information (assuming they c/r turn and not 3-bet flop)
and fold out AJ incorrectly on the turn. A river bet for value after raising the flop is near break even because AK = 16 , JJ/TT = 12 combos, but AK wont always call.

Against a predictable TAG who likes to 3-bet flops on dry boards (an obscure read) would be the only way Id want to raise 99 here.

The bonus hand is sick.. Imagine if you hit your 1 outer on the river? Probabily capped 3 way followed by swearing , cursing , death threats and suicides all while you laugh like a maniac