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If you search my posts you can find a post I made awhile ago about making an NL25 video, though I give a short introduction to myself in the video. I don't post here often, I just joined a little while, and I have mostly responded to some uNL posts, made a post or two in uNL for my friend, and posted a few hands of my own in MSNL. I thought making a video would be nice, and as somebody who wins at higher stakes playing 4-5 tables without a HUD I think I do have something to add. I do talk for about the first 5 or 6 minutes of the vid before I start playing. It isn't really a "how-to" on anything but more of a "how-I" on playing with players I am confident I can outplay. All feedback is welcomed, with the exception of things like "always fold KQ UTG", I'm not interested in hearing things like that. I'm planning on making a series if there is interest, and looking forward to discussing things with interested people. Let me know if you would like another one. The following link should work:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MEELPV8X

I made it using Camtasia, so perhaps you might have to download that if you'd like to watch it I don't know. Take care

Adam

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I'd definitely be interested in a series, but you're gonna have to convert this to avi or something that people will be able to play in windows media player. No one will be able to open this file.

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Okay, it's perhaps going to seem kind of weird and wtf to many, which is the idea behind making it a series to flesh out the ideas....

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I'll do that in the future, can't ppl just dl camtasia tho?

It's really easy to download and install, and then you can make your own videos and watch yourself play after you're done!!

This took me 2 hours to upload so I'd rather not do it again this time.

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I doubt many people will watch this unless it is wmv. Camtasia doesn't work on my computer btw.

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getting the techsmith codec might help (if you get the codec you dont need camtasia)

http://download.techsmith.com/tscc/tscc.exe

edit: I didn't know i was a camrec file. Then you need camtasia I guess...

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Bumperidoo.

I watched or rather listened to the first 3-4 minutes but I gotta go get my son from kindergarten. You have my ear and I might produce it and rehost the .avi if you want a bit later today.

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Bumperidoo.

I watched or rather listened to the first 3-4 minutes but I gotta go get my son from kindergarten. You have my ear and I might produce it and rehost the .avi if you want a bit later today.

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Please do, Thanks.

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yeah please convert this. i'd like to watch it, but camtasia is no dice on my laptop.

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Wow

You have deffo not seen this style in any of the vids in the sticky...

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Everlong

Yeah I think after watching it you can understand why I think it would be more effective as a series, as it's almost impossible to give feedback based on watching this (other than understandably saying "wow you play bad that must've been a heater" etc....). Guess it doesn't do much for my credibility when the first hand at the table I raise AA so big that I know I won't get called because I think it's the last possible hand I want to actually showdown in that situation...did some of what I was saying seem interesting though? I was really kind of dissapointed with the lack of action, and honestly the superfish to my right was kind of the only bright spot at the table; I would've just left and gone to another one if he wasn't there.

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I am those guys you are trying to lure in so hell yes I am definately all ears and I think I have a vague concept of what you are trying to achieve.

There is basically always at least 2 players like this* scattered at the idk 6-8 tables I play and they are nightmares really. I either stack them or just keep getting more and more frustrated and stack off with weaker and weaker hands.

(*You know the guy who has J4 on the AJ4 board when you had enough of his raising and push AK...)

Vid is producing and should be up shortly.

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OK file put on a [censored] diet and rehosted (I messed up the vid aspect ratio somewhere along the way but you'll live)

xvid codec this time.

http://www.megaupload.com/se/?d=31OMHN7R

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I can't download it. Do I need an account on megaupload ?

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No just type the three letters in the box and then wait for the required 45 seconds or so.

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Hey thanks a lot for doing that, I'll make sure to get the next one right.

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Hey thanks a lot for doing that, I'll make sure to get the next one right.

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you are welcome

In one of the old microbrews Triggerle wrote a neato guide to making videos (compression bla bla etc etc). I'll see if I can find it.

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OK file put on a [censored] diet and rehosted (I messed up the vid aspect ratio somewhere along the way but you'll live)

xvid codec this time.

http://www.megaupload.com/se/?d=31OMHN7R

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tyvm everlong, wow you cut down the file size a [censored] load. Watching now, will probably comment later.

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Wow...I've just watched the start of the video. I will definitely be watching the rest when I get home from work!

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Hey thanks a lot for doing that, I'll make sure to get the next one right.

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you are welcome

In one of the old microbrews Triggerle wrote a neato guide to making videos (compression bla bla etc etc). I'll see if I can find it.

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I had a little search and couldn't find teh guide.

This looks like an interesting different type of vid - I look forward to it -tks Mr MSNLer and everlong for packaging nice and accesible.

I will get round to watching it -I've got 3 already still to watch.

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downloading the improved version now, lets hope this one works on a mac.

Downloaded to many vids that didn't

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just watched your video and your play is definetly different from the standard play, good read on the QT guy.

hope you put some more videos up man! kinda great!

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I tried downloading the video, and when it finished downloading all I got was audio on windows media player. Any suggestions? This is the second time this has happened to me. Help, please?

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I tried downloading the video, and when it finished downloading all I got was audio on windows media player. Any suggestions? This is the second time this has happened to me. Help, please?

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Hi.
I have a different problem. The picture has frozen on a showdown A3s v/s 68s. No moving pics and no sound, but the timebar is moving. Any ideas???

// M

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Get the xvid codec from http://www.xvid.org/

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Wow. All I can say is wow.

Love your thoughts in the pre game section. this is what poker should be all about. Playing the players and not your cards.

I will defiantly watch any video you put out. Make sure Everlong compress them for you. Best quality video I'v seen here.

Will probably have to watch this 20 times before I begin to grasp it.
players like you are the one who take my stack most often.

Thanks for doing it, both of you.

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Quick question on playing this way. I tried this on the NL 10 at full tilt a few months ago with about 30% of your thought process and 15 buyins. I got more then enough people playing back at me but since I suck I got stuck for 135 in two days due to my inferior ability to know whats what.
My question is this: How many buyins do you consider necessary to keep from losing your whole roll and tilting like a monkey once you are left with say <5 buyins. I am thinking something along the lines of 30-40 buyins and some superman thick skin for tilt control before I attempt this again.
I have always looked at playing poker as a game of context clues. Each decision put into context with all the contextual clues that have surfaced from all history with the players you are playing with which is sorta what you are doing in this video. I think the big difference here is you are actively building a clue base with intent rather then passively letting that clue base build then working off it.

Until then, grinding the stars NL 2 till I get a job and roll.

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That was awesome, I felt freed just playing vicariously through you.

Definitely some big ideas (at least for my semi-nitty self) to chew on.

Did this style come out of a natural progression from a tighter game for you, or did you always play that way and just got better at it as you went along?

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No offence but there were some pretty horrible plays in there and you seem to have pretty big leaks in your game [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

However I would be interested in seeing another video to see if that was just a one off.

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Fantastic [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
I will watch as many as you can produce. Props to Everlong for recoding. I may actually start playing *real* poker at last [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
EDIT: Sweir, levelling? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Sweir,

Yes! There are definitely some horrible plays! That's the point buddy! If you view poker as a game of winning pots then I'm probably the uNLer around since I'm playing to lose many of them. As for leaks I dunno pal, I did run at like 15PTBB/100 over about 30k hands playing this style at NL25 and NL50 before trying it at higher stakes. Lol @ feedback being "pretty horrible plays" though, nice way to facilitate discussion, though I can see how it can be like "wtf" and kind of hard to comment on. No it was not just a one off and this is not me saying this is way to play poker, as I said. This is "how-I" not a "how-to" and I definitely don't always play this style. No, this is not a one off, and this was actually the second take because the first take turned out to be 1 hr 40 mins long and the audio got out of sync, but I'm happy to post that one or edit it down. You'd really really like that one, as I stack off with 2nd pair no kicker as advertisement, then stack the same guy like 2 hands later, and get 300BB deep.

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the first take turned out to be 1 hr 40 mins long and the audio got out of sync, but I'm happy to post that one or edit it down.

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Yes please.

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Lol ... I've watched this now.


I can't see any horrid plays actually, the horridness is 'only' against the very short stacks, but handvalues run close pf anyway, so at worst those are 1-2$ mistakes, and sinvce the shortstack will be covered they can still be stacked for all that is lost.


The morale of this vid is this.


The 'TAGs' at 25NL (and this actually means a lot of this forum tbh) are mindless. As said, they have their 'system', multitable and will not deviate from this system. It is what they believe is higher pokerunderstanding. (And that is why I might get yelled at when I open Q6s from the CO), so while I appreciate your attempt to open them up, it can be very very hard, tho not impossible.

Perhaps you should find one of these guys sit at several of his tables and donk it up.


So what is the most valueable lesson here ?


It is to target the singletablers, preferably on your right and gamble it up with them.

But OP has more reading skill than most at this level, still it is a healthy exercide and one I spent most of last month on (in the process dropping 4000$ ... do'h)


But dynamics, dynamics dynamics !!!!!!!!!!!!! can't be stressed enough.

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Sweir,

Yes! There are definitely some horrible plays! That's the point buddy! If you view poker as a game of winning pots then I'm probably the uNLer around since I'm playing to lose many of them. As for leaks I dunno pal, I did run at like 15PTBB/100 over about 30k hands playing this style at NL25 and NL50 before trying it at higher stakes. Lol @ feedback being "pretty horrible plays" though, nice way to facilitate discussion, though I can see how it can be like "wtf" and kind of hard to comment on. No it was not just a one off and this is not me saying this is way to play poker, as I said. This is "how-I" not a "how-to" and I definitely don't always play this style. No, this is not a one off, and this was actually the second take because the first take turned out to be 1 hr 40 mins long and the audio got out of sync, but I'm happy to post that one or edit it down. You'd really really like that one, as I stack off with 2nd pair no kicker as advertisement, then stack the same guy like 2 hands later, and get 300BB deep.

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The thing is this:

For those of us playing x tables and TAGish style these plays are just so off the wall that it is a bit hard to digest. I got inspired too and thought what the hell I'll give it a go for kicks.

I lost three buyins at NL25 in 6 minutes - I kid you not.

I'd love to see the other video and any more stuff you do.
Even if I might honestly never ever try this again it is very refreshing to see a whole different approach and take on what is the essentials of this game.

(Sidenote: after stacking off twice I turned on my HUD to compare my reads with the stats. Calling them reads is a [censored] joke. I have no clue...need to work on that obv...)

Keep em coming. I'll help if I can. Overall entertainment value alone is worth it.

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Sweir,

Yes! There are definitely some horrible plays! That's the point buddy! If you view poker as a game of winning pots then I'm probably the uNLer around since I'm playing to lose many of them. As for leaks I dunno pal, I did run at like 15PTBB/100 over about 30k hands playing this style at NL25 and NL50 before trying it at higher stakes. Lol @ feedback being "pretty horrible plays" though, nice way to facilitate discussion, though I can see how it can be like "wtf" and kind of hard to comment on. No it was not just a one off and this is not me saying this is way to play poker, as I said. This is "how-I" not a "how-to" and I definitely don't always play this style. No, this is not a one off, and this was actually the second take because the first take turned out to be 1 hr 40 mins long and the audio got out of sync, but I'm happy to post that one or edit it down. You'd really really like that one, as I stack off with 2nd pair no kicker as advertisement, then stack the same guy like 2 hands later, and get 300BB deep.

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I can prolly fix the audio problem if u host the other video.

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Def. interesting, but I am really looking forward to step two, "the revenge of the multi-tablig tags". That is the part I always mess up.

I think you really played an excellent read-based game, but why limp K4o in the CO?

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Also.. if you really want people to play back at u.. sit at 50nl

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Certainly I'll make one at NL50 as well sometime in the future...as it is more fun then. I'll probably do one or two more at NL25 and then NL50 so that I can talk about playing reraised pots. I limped K4 in the CO because I thought the shortstacker would felt any piece of the flop (lucky me, that's what happened), I felt I had very good implied odds with that hand against that player by just limping.

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Also, somebody just told me the vid is at 1 hand behind the speech, is anybody else having problems with this?

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HELP - I really want to watch - my computer has itunes, windows media player and real player but none of these work!

What do i do to get it to play? If you help, you are a god.