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table was nine handed.
the table consists of abc players and a couple total lag donks. i have not seen any of the abc players show bluffs so i dont know if their cabable of making a play i have everyone covered with about 20000 in front of me. the average is about 10000. ok heres the hand.

folds around the table to me in the cutoff where i look down at 7d 6d i decide to raise to 150. small blind calls big blind re raises to 500. i call and small blind thinks and finally decides to call. i put the big blind on aces or kings and the small blind on ace q pocket 9s that range.

flop: 7h 6h 7c

small blind checks and big blind fires out 800 i think for a second and calls. small blind insta folds and says i knew my king queen wasn't good preflop.

the turn comes the 2d. the big blind thinks for a minute and bets 1000 i think for awhile and finally call.

the river comes the Ad. the big blind has about 7700 left. he fires out 2000 on the river. i raise to 4000 and he insta pushes i think for awhile and finally fold face up.

i'd like oppions on all fazes of the hand. and please knowone right "oh your a total donk easy call." thank you

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You didn't say whether the big blind was ABC or a donk?

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How much more is it on the end? $4000? Raising seems bad if youre not ready to call $4000 more.

I play this hand a lot faster, depending on his view of you and how likely you are to have a 7, I definitly raise the flop here, as most ABC players with AA or KK will just look to get all the money in on the turn.

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As played, must call.

Why raise to 4000 if youre not prepared to call 3700 more?

Also raising on the flop or the turn is a better idea, specially if he does have AA or KK.

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How is it that you put your villan on AA or KK and then raise the river?

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How is it that you put your villan on AA or KK and then raise the river?

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Thats what I am wondering

I think you should have raised the turn after he fires another bet.

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you mean you had $20.00 in front and covered everyone else's $10.00?

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How is it that you put your villan on AA or KK and then raise the river?

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heres the reason

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the table consists of abc players and a couple total lag donks

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How is it that you put your villan on AA or KK and then raise the river?

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Thats what I am wondering

I think you should have raised the turn after he fires another bet.

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i raise the flop a lot here. if i just called the flop, i raise the turn. as played, you are getting paid off by one hand on the river, AK. AA/KK either push or fold, respectively. I don't know how much value there is in raising, however, if you think AK will call then it's a raise/fold to shove.

I have no problem folding for my last 4k here like you did, but I probably wouldn't have laid myself such a good price on the river, so I make it like 2-2.5x of his river bet.

Sick spot, but he has AA like 99% of the time here, so I don't mind a fold. If his range is as tight as you say though, raise the flop or turn he will still pay.

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he fires 1k into 3k on the turn with 10k to play with and u just call? gross

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How is it that you put your villan on AA or KK and then raise the river?

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Thats what I am wondering

I think you should have raised the turn after he fires another bet.

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i raise the flop a lot here. if i just called the flop, i raise the turn. as played, you are getting paid off by one hand on the river, AK. AA/KK either push or fold, respectively. I don't know how much value there is in raising, however, if you think AK will call then it's a raise/fold to shove.

I have no problem folding for my last 4k here like you did, but I probably wouldn't have laid myself such a good price on the river, so I make it like 2-2.5x of his river bet.

Sick spot, but he has AA like 99% of the time here, so I don't mind a fold. If his range is as tight as you say though, raise the flop or turn he will still pay.

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lol i just noticed you min raised him. with these stack sizes it's a call on the river. I just don't see AK firing into 2 people on the flop and continuing on the turn.

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lol. i just noticed another thing...the donk saying he has KQ makes this an even easier river call because AK/KK is a much less likely part of his range.

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there are a lot of things i dont understand about this hand...

1. AVG stack at the table is 10k and standard opening raise is 150?
2.you put the guy on AA or KK and dont raise the flop? Do you really think a guy with AA or KK is getting away from a flop raise? You dont think the guy can put you on a heart/straight draw?
3. the big blind on the turn bets 1000 into a 3100 pot? are you planning on inflating the pot at any point?
4.On the river he bets 2000 into a 5100 pot? what do u read these underhalf pot bets to mean?
5. You put the guy on AA or KK and raise the river? what does your raise accomplish?
6. You fold face up so that the table will mercilessly pound on you until you leave?

i'm fine with you folding river (i like call better)...but the hand was lost well before, and i absolutely hate your folding face-up

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Sorry but you played that hand pretty poorly. You need to raise flop or turn and get the money in if you think he has a big hand and cant get away from it. If he fill up on river then so be it. and if you put him on AA or KK then why raise the river???? Seems very fishy to go completly agiasnt your read. Live and learn I guess.

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didnt someone already post this exact same hand where they folded the flopped nuts to a rivered boat? also, they both mucked their hands face up(Wtf)

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SB - "I knew my KQ wasn't good preflop"

RLY?

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that is horrible

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ur turn play is awful.

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How does someone sit down with 20k,raise P/F with 76d,flop the nut fullhouse,put villain on AA's,investing $6300 after MIN-RAISING his river bet,,,,,,then OPEN FOLD his hand, because it cost him $4000 more??
I really dont understand how or why some people even attempt to play deepstack HSNL.

If he two-outed you on the river ,so be it,,,,,thats the game dude!

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Reminds me of when I get really wasted and play.

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I'm calling shenanigans on this post.

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Play this hand faster on flop/turn. If you think he will definitly overplay his PP, raise flop (espec. if you have a laggy image). Besides having position, the point of calling the big re-raise PF is to hit a flop like this and get some money in there, not play it cute in a damn-i'm-so-clever-trapping-this-donk-lol-slow-play-get-no-money-in-pot style. And with an "ABC" player, you could def get paid, BUILD THE POT.

Also, what if 3rd heart comes and he slows down and checks for pot control...get some money in there baby...BEFORE the river.

On river, it's a sick spot but don't raise if you don't wanna call shove BC AK probably isn't going be there...ever. An ABC player probally isn't going to re-jack OOP from BB then fire on flop/turn to someone calling in position.

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Yea, this can't be serious. Also, folding face-up is spew...What are we trying to accomplish? Look at me, I make sick laydowns so please bluff me and put me in tough spots for the rest of the night?

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I so want to lay odds that this is a tournament hand.

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I so want to lay odds that this is a tournament hand.

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I thought the SAME exact thing when I first read it,and then re-reading it again basically convinced me!
~stephen

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How does someone sit down with 20k,raise P/F with 76d,flop the nut fullhouse,put villain on AA's,investing $6300 after MIN-RAISING his river bet,,,,,,then OPEN FOLD his hand, because it cost him $4000 more??
I really dont understand how or why some people even attempt to play deepstack HSNL.

If he two-outed you on the river ,so be it,,,,,thats the game dude!

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Straight up, man, if you were able to put him on aces with such accuracy you shoulda overbet the pot on the flop to make him think you were bluffing and looked to get it in on the turn if he didn't raise your flop bet. You seriously wasted a HUGE opportunity to felt a "donkey" down. Shoulda played that hand FAST, and if he was gonna draw out, o well, you took a beat and he did it when the money was already in and he was hugely disadvantaged and he made a sucker's call with the aces he couldn't get away from.


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