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2000 effective. 5 handed.

bobby bellande open limps in co, i raise to 90 on button w T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], kanyesouth (31/17ish) calls in bb jrb calls.

flop 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] j [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot 280)

ck, jrb bets 260, i call kanye calls.

turn 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (pot 1060)

ck, ck, ck

river Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (pot 1060)

ck, jrb bets 20, i make it 620, kanye pushes jrb folds.

so about 1k to me.

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this kinda makes my shake my head in confusion too. but I fold.

I see you losing or splitting if hes bad. i mean, can he EVER be bluffing? sure doesn't seem like he ever gets here with a worse hand that value pushes. cant see him ever not betting a lone 8 on this river (if he even gets there with an 8 given the action) JJ /66/88 are all possibilites.

it is def. very bizzare but im a call station adn even i cant talk myself into a call here.

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bet 20 wtf? seems really sketchy.

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ya i was wonderin same thing..

edit: but it is JRB so..

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Does kanye ever have 66/88/JJ here?

Tons of straight draws on the flop, if he has a set, I think he would at least C/R this flop.

I also don't understand why you raise the river - what do you beat that you think will call your river raise?

I think kanye's most likely holding is 86 or J8 suited, given his cold/call on the flop.

I think this is a pretty clear fold.

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Wow, wtf...Kanye is a big HU player so I'm sure he's unafraid to make unorthodox moves if he thinks it's right...still, you both took such [censored] weird lines I would call since you are getting 3:1 and are so unsure of what is going on.

Heir, I don't think JRB really matters on the river.

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i know he doesnt. im just saying that 20 dollar bet is just like wtf?

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Does kanye ever have 66/88/JJ here?

Tons of straight draws on the flop, if he has a set, I think he would at least C/R this flop.

I also don't understand why you raise the river - what do you beat that you think will call your river raise?

I think kanye's most likely holding is 86 or J8 suited, given his cold/call on the flop.

I think this is a pretty clear fold.

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i think j6 or j8 are the the least likely of hands in his range we lose to. he protects these on the flop 90% of the time

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misclick

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Does kanye ever have 66/88/JJ here?

Tons of straight draws on the flop, if he has a set, I think he would at least C/R this flop.

I also don't understand why you raise the river - what do you beat that you think will call your river raise?

I think kanye's most likely holding is 86 or J8 suited, given his cold/call on the flop.

I think this is a pretty clear fold.

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I think a flat call on the flop from kanyesouth is much more likely with a set than with 2 pair. I can't see him ever not C/Ring this flop with 2 pr, especially with 100BBs. And are you really saying we shouldnt raise a river minbet with a straight? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Obv, the river is close, but I'd probably call getting the odds you're getting here, like others have said, he is capable of unorthodox plays, and you can never have a FH here, and he knows this so I'd call but wouldn't be happy about it.

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this kinda makes my shake my head in confusion too. but I fold.

I see you losing or splitting if hes bad. i mean, can he EVER be bluffing? sure doesn't seem like he ever gets here with a worse hand that value pushes. cant see him ever not betting a lone 8 on this river (if he even gets there with an 8 given the action) JJ /66/88 are all possibilites.


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but doesn't it look like i'm kinda fos too?

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kanye sucks, hes not bluffing like this

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I also don't understand why you raise the river - what do you beat that you think will call your river raise?


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someone just bet 20 into a 1000 pot and we have a straight?

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I think kanye is shoving with three 8s here often enough to call. I think that 20 bet gets raised often enough for kanye to value shove or am I way off

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I also don't understand why you raise the river - what do you beat that you think will call your river raise?



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someone just bet 20 into a 1000 pot and we have a straight?


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eh, yeah, except in rare circumstances, i just treat these as a check and if jrb had checked i would definitely be betting this river. there are a few guys who use them to induce action, but they are easy to spot.

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I agree. I have logges < 5000 hands in 10-20 but in my experience in msnl games these minbets into big pots get reraise a very high percentage of the time. Given the passive action on turn and river, I think Kanye is very capable of shoving a lone eight or even air. But I have never played w/ him before either.

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Kanye with JQ ldo

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you guys never saw someone bet 1 BB before on the river? play poker much?

LA,

This is a full house all day long.

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does he call preflop with 75s 97s?

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I also don't understand why you raise the river - what do you beat that you think will call your river raise?


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someone just bet 20 into a 1000 pot and we have a straight?

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What's our plan then? Hope to get called by 8x, but we fold to a shove because it has to be a full house or what?

If this was a no brainer, then OP wouldn't be starting this thread.

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I think he's got T9 here alot.. its the hand that makes the most sense, while everything else is slightly unstandard whether it be a weird bluff, thin VB with an 8, or a boat/quads.

Looks like you're getting about 3.3:1, and I think you're equity is probably higher than that here. Maybe not though, but I don't think calling or folding are either awful..

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I think you guys have the same hand a lot

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there are 3 combos of T9s. there are 10 combos of full houses (assuming he folds QJ on the flop). dont forget T9s gives us a split, not the pot.

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Didn't see the rainbow board, I retract my statement.

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kanye sucks, hes not bluffing like this

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Wow seriously? I call so quick here. I also was under the impression that he was decent, given that he's been a multi-tabling mid-stakes HU guy for months. Also, he posts in MSNL a lot, I'm pretty sure.

I just can't put him on a hand we lose to here. I don't think he overcalls the flop with Q8, a set, or any 2 pair. Obviously Q8 would be a wretched call, and with that board and 2 guys (probably one fish and one unknown, from his perspective) already having put in 260, any hand that's ahead puts in a nice raise. Your river play does look like you're fos or have a giant hand, so a move here by him wouldn't be too bad. If you're not winning, you're tied.

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call.

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everyone is focusing on the river, but Rob, I think you botched this hand on the turn.....you have no reason to check....you really don't mind being checkraised on that turn with your hand, and you probably have a lot of fold equity, you'd gain a lot of info, and you'd make the river a cinch....

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a boat makes no sense for him. none.

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Call real quick but I totally agree with Sunny that not betting the turn sucks.

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its so strange that nobody puts him on a set. why on earth WOULDNT he slowplay the flop? its so dry.

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its so strange that nobody puts him on a set. why on earth WOULDNT he slowplay the flop? its so dry.

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one reason is taht 66 is the only set

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this is live right? i am sorta confused because he has PT stats but also says bobby belande and open limp so i assumed it was live.

if it is live, he could easily have JJ

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Call real quick but I totally agree with Sunny that not betting the turn sucks.


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yeah, agreed - especially if i'm calling this push then not betting turn doesn't make sense.

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it was online.

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does he call preflop with 75s 97s?


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with those stats and closing the action i would imagine so.

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this is live right? i am sorta confused because he has PT stats but also says bobby belande and open limp so i assumed it was live.

if it is live, he could easily have JJ

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i think its online but i thought the same thing at first but jesus it'd be awfully hard to keep track of vpip and pfr with pen and paper and maybe an abacus or something

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its so strange that nobody puts him on a set. why on earth WOULDNT he slowplay the flop? its so dry.

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one reason is taht 66 is the only set

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Seems like quads are a possibility with this line, could see him checking turn here and possibly river if he gives one of you guys 9T or he can obviously expect a bet after the checked around turn

Also, what did we put JRB on here with his min bet? Seems like your river bet, while it is near the pot size, isn't that smart since JRB is either blocking with a very weak hand where he may call a small raise or hes doing this with a stronger hand than yours and planning to re-raise (obv not the case since he folded after the push) or possibly misclick...but for those reasons I think I would raise smaller on the river

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Seems like your river bet, while it is near the pot size, isn't that smart since JRB is either blocking with a very weak hand where he may call a small raise or hes doing this with a stronger hand than yours and planning to re-raise

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what if i told you that i thought this raise may induce a push from kanye w worse and get jrb to fold bottom full?

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I'm calling this pretty quick, but I don't know much about the villian

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Seems like your river bet, while it is near the pot size, isn't that smart since JRB is either blocking with a very weak hand where he may call a small raise or hes doing this with a stronger hand than yours and planning to re-raise

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what if i told you that i thought this raise may induce a push from kanye w worse and get jrb to fold bottom full?

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Well, do you expect JRB to fold bottom full here when he seems to have bet hoping to get raised?

Also, as played I think you can call this and expect to see 79