Standard donkbet defense
 

No Limit Hold'em Ring Game (6 max) , 6 players
Blinds : $0.50/$1

Stacks:
UTG : $109.05
MP : $57.30
CO : $61.05
Button : $186.10 (Hero)
SB : $129.60
BB : $107.05

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($9, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $12</font>, SB calls ($9).

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($33, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($33, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $10</font>, Hero ???


Villain is typical awful donk, chases, bluffs, etc.

What's his range here?

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Looks like a 7 or a flush to me by the flop bet. May have hit 2 pair tho also.

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A7, nothing, 33-99, flush. I'm always calling though, I think this is A7 and nothing a whole lot.

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STandard (if you call).

When you get shown a flush laugh at villain (to yourself) and move on.

When you get shown A7 laugh at villain (to yourself) and move on. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I'm always calling though, I think this is A7 and nothing a whole lot.

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exactly

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Who cares what his range is, your ahead of it enough to call.

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easy call

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Everything is pretty standard IMO. Good sized raise on flop. River is an insta call. You're definitely ahead here often enough to make it profitable.

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STandard (if you call).

When you get shown a flush laugh at villain (to yourself) and move on.

<u>Nope make a note. wL w FD</u>
When you get shown A7 laugh at villain (to yourself) and move on. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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More notes
But basicly I agree.
(were is Fd part 3 on notetaking?)

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i often just go ahead and bet the turn

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i often just go ahead and bet the turn

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That doesn't really make any sense to me.

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well if he isnt a retard, and bets $22 on the river instead of $10, wtf do u do?
did he stumble across a clear bluff spot? would u consider calling?

i'm happy to bluff with the best hand here
if u bet the turn, instead its villains turn to post a thread titled:

'marginal overpair (or TPTK) on turned flush board'

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well if he isnt a retard, and bets $22 on the river instead of $10, wtf do u do?
did he stumble across a clear bluff spot? would u consider calling?

i'm happy to bluff with the best hand here
if u bet the turn, instead its villains turn to post a thread titled:

'marginal overpair (or TPTK) on turned flush board'

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Yeah but that donkbet-call on the flop is pretty much a big hand or junk, it's basically never something that beats me that he would fold.

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i would think he does i with absolutely every TP

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i'm happy to bluff with the best hand here


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Im to drunk to get this.

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I bet the turn here as well, apart from anything as protection against 5's, 8's, T's and hearts on the river. Particularly if villain is awful and chases a lot. Get some value out of him/protect your hand on the turn and check the river if he calls.

It's also much easier for him to bet out with nothing on the river into a small pot where you've shown weakness than it is for him to bluff raise your second barrel on a scary turn.

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i'm happy to bluff with the best hand here


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Im to drunk to get this.

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He means hes happy to bluff as villain on the river with a hand like a middle pair or tpnk. Even though it may be the best hand he can bluff out a fair few better hands.

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i'm happy to bluff with the best hand here


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Im to drunk to get this.

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He means hes happy to bluff as villain on the river with a hand like a middle pair or tpnk. Even though it may be the best hand he can bluff out a fair few better hands.

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i'm happy to bluff the turn turn as hero, or bluff the river as villain. as villain i certainly bet midpair+ on the river

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Bluffing the turn as Hero with K9 here blows imo since the line villain has taken is a draw a lot, which a lot of obviously got there on the turn.

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its not a pure bluff, its a value bet too.

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Ok misunderstood you. I doubt any better hands fold though given villain description.

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Ok misunderstood you. I doubt any better hands fold though given villain description.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how a turn bet is considered a bluff. I bet the turn to get calls from 8s, single hearts, and one pair hands we beat, and to hopefully get a free river showdown.

I guess a turn bet resembles a bluff insofar as it cannot withstand any heat...

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I bet the turn here as well, apart from anything as protection against 5's, 8's, T's and hearts on the river. Particularly if villain is awful and chases a lot. Get some value out of him/protect your hand on the turn and check the river if he calls.

It's also much easier for him to bet out with nothing on the river into a small pot where you've shown weakness than it is for him to bluff raise your second barrel on a scary turn.

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very good advice

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Sometimes I bet the turn here to get value and it makes it easier to play the hand on the river. I figure if he calls turn/bets river or reraises turn its easy to let go and if he has tp then we can get more value. On the flipside I can see playing the way op did but then Im sitting there like should I call the river bet?