25 50 party TPTK wierd spot
 

Hey, i am pretty sure i messed up this hand, but am not sure about the best line, villian is queenkris, his line is something like 26/17/1.5, but has made some moves on me lately, anyways, he prolly views me as kinda aggressive, and my light value bets have been kinda effective vs. him.
So anyways, the converter is messed so heres the hh:
***** Hand History for Game 5913483845 *****
$5,000 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, April 26, 16:01:43 ET 2007
Table Table 125410 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: KarlMarx11 ( $7,517 USD )
Seat 6: queenkris ( $14,367 USD )
Seat 10: tan34gelo ( $3,321.60 USD )
Seat 9: borgouki_madon ( $8,055.20 USD )
Seat 5: lastLazyGun ( $5,000 USD )
Seat 3: Mans99 ( $2,306.08 USD )
Seat 8: M4ximillion ( $4,775 USD )
Seat 2: rg62491 ( $4,925 USD )
Seat 4: Smaragd55 ( $2,500 USD )
Seat 7: bervad3 ( $5,000 USD )
M4ximillion posts small blind [$25 USD].
borgouki_madon posts big blind [$50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to borgouki_madon [ Ac Jc ]
tan34gelo folds.
KarlMarx11 folds.
rg62491 folds.
Mans99 folds.
lastLazyGun folds.
queenkris raises [$188 USD]
M4ximillion folds.
borgouki_madon raises [$616 USD]
queenkris calls [$478 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, Js, 4c ]
borgouki_madon bets [$1,000 USD]
queenkris calls [$1,000 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]


Whats ur plan in this spot?
So if u check? if he raises u then u?
if he checks turn back and u value bet river, then he goes over the top u?

or if u raise, do u call push?

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this kinda sucks, just bet/fold and if river blanks keep v-betting

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this kinda sucks, just bet/fold and if river blanks keep v-betting

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you saw he has the nut flush draw too?

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this kinda sucks, just bet/fold and if river blanks keep v-betting

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you saw he has the nut flush draw too?

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oops, check and call

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i kinda like a check/push on the turn, if he checks through and river blanks i think bet/fold is best but occasionally check/calling can be nice too

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kris is smart, I cr all in on the turn because his float % is likely higher than you think, and folding is not really an option--he'll never fold better but whateva and free cards dont hurt too bad

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alright i checked, planning to crai all in on turn
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
borgouki_madon checks.
queenkris checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]
borgouki_madon bets [$2,444 USD]
queenkris is all-In.
borgouki_madon folds.
queenkris does not show cards.
queenkris wins $18,497 USD
#Game No : 5913489310

what im kinda wondering about is should i call? i have a lot of trouble putting him on a real hand, im pretty sure he raises KQ on flop, all i can really c is some really slow played set

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how does he view you? if he thinks you're weak/tight you should absolutely call

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we dont have a lot of history, like <1k hands i think, but he prolly views as pretty agro (i have a pretty high AF), and done some light value bets on him recently

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Light value-bets are cool but I don't like the river bet at all. I think check-calling would've been much better. Your hand is very underrepped as played, so he has a lot of ways of playing perfectly against you on the river, and then all you can do is flip a coin for like.. 5k, is it?
Turn check is good, I'm w. strassa on that one, but once it gets checked through and you don't improve, I check again on the river and hope to snap off a bluff/worse value bet/lose less if behind. Once he shoves, though, I would have an extremely hard time folding for reasons outlined above. But I'm a total station.

Kirk

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this villain is terrible btw, tilts horribly, etc etc so it would make me way more likely to bet/call if he's been losing or if you've been 3-betting him a lot.

checking the river sucks, it's going to get checked back a ton where he would call a bet.

and a turn c/r is bad this deep, you have plenty of room to play. unless he will call it off with JK or QJ, every time he bets and has air he will fold, and if he is calling a c/r he will have you drawing to 9 outs most of the time and sometimes 14, but you will have gotten a lot of money in bad.

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i dont think c/c is better because i dont c him bluffing iwht much here, most of his range has good showdown value, and i dont really c him value betting much worse either

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I call ...if he has no idea who I am. I really refuse to believe he plays any hand worth a value raise here on the river, doesnt bet the turn except 555.

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this villain is terrible btw, tilts horribly, etc etc so it would make me way more likely to bet/call if he's been losing or if you've been 3-betting him a lot.

checking the river sucks, it's going to get checked back a ton where he would call a bet.

and a turn c/r is bad this deep, you have plenty of room to play. unless he will call it off with JK or QJ, every time he bets and has air he will fold, and if he is calling a c/r he will have you drawing to 9 outs most of the time and sometimes 14, but you will have gotten a lot of money in bad.

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calling kyle (krisqueen) a terrible player is pretty silly imo

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this villain is terrible btw, tilts horribly, etc etc so it would make me way more likely to bet/call if he's been losing or if you've been 3-betting him a lot.

checking the river sucks, it's going to get checked back a ton where he would call a bet.

and a turn c/r is bad this deep, you have plenty of room to play. unless he will call it off with JK or QJ, every time he bets and has air he will fold, and if he is calling a c/r he will have you drawing to 9 outs most of the time and sometimes 14, but you will have gotten a lot of money in bad.

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calling kyle (krisqueen) a terrible player is pretty silly imo

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I had this discussion recently with someone. I only have a couple thousand hands with him and his style is so much different from most winners that if I didn't know how much success he has had I would assume he isn't very good either.

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yeah i think i prolly should have called

but about him being good, i have a lot of trouble with this too, he plays a really wierd style and makes a lot of questionable decisions imo, but he seems to do alright, so cant argue with results

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yeah i think i prolly should have called

but about him being good, i have a lot of trouble with this too, he plays a really wierd style and makes a lot of questionable decisions imo, but he seems to do alright, so cant argue with results

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two things i cant believe:
1) calling krisqueen a terrible player....wtf is wrong with you
2) betting that river. c/f or check call. do whatever.

Re: 25 50 party TPTK wierd spot
 

uh, jay's already said he's on drugs and it was quite apparent before he admitted to it. so you guys can stop yelling at him about his KQ comments... although your yelling is a little funny.

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are you sure krisqueen is the same as this guy, queenkris, he really is horrible

and these drugs are so french so fwiw im on french drugs, not drugs

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yea they are the same. he is very good. if you think he's terrible, i'm sure you could easily arrange to play him HU at 50/100 or whatever. glad you're enjoying your trip.

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kris is smart, I cr all in on the turn because his float % is likely higher than you think, and folding is not really an option--he'll never fold better but whateva and free cards dont hurt too bad

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isnt this a pretty compelling argument for just check calling?

i have a hard time believing hes calling with too many worse hands... and hes never folding better...