Dealer advises opponent. Whaddya do?
 

So I'm playing $15/30 at Bellagio and a huge pot comes up. Long story short, I have QQ and the board is J55T. It's the turn. I have check-raised this guy who I am pretty sure is holding JT - you should have seen him light up when the T fell. And the pot is gigantic because it was five bets seven ways preflop.

He is grabbing for more chips.

Dealer leans over and tells him that if I have an overpair then JT is no good.

I didn't react at the time - I was too busy worrying about the inevitable J, T, K or A river - but obviously I should have done something. What should I have done?

Guy.

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Raised holy hell, called the floor and never tip that a-hole again. A kick in the nuts isn't enough in this situation.

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So I'm playing $15/30 at Bellagio and a huge pot comes up. Long story short, I have QQ and the board is J55T. It's the turn. I have check-raised this guy who I am pretty sure is holding JT - you should have seen him light up when the T fell. And the pot is gigantic because it was five bets seven ways preflop.

He is grabbing for more chips.

Dealer leans over and tells him that if I have an overpair then JT is no good.

I didn't react at the time - I was too busy worrying about the inevitable J, T, K or A river - but obviously I should have done something. What should I have done?

Guy.

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Wow. I have no advice for you because I rarely play live, but that is absolutely disgusting.

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show no reaction until pot is over. then, after the hand, immediately call the floor. this would be grounds for firing imo.

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Yea i guess important to not lose control totally, play the hand out then calmly approach the floor and explain what just happened to them

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I wouldnt make a scene really. No need to make yourself look like a knob, but yeah. The floor has to hear about this quick smart.

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What should I have done?

Tell the dealer politely only one person to a hand.

If you won the pot, do not toke the dealer. Call the floor over and calmly explain what happened.

I would probably never tip this dealer again...ever.

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So I'm playing $15/30 at Bellagio and a huge pot comes up. Long story short, I have QQ and the board is J55T. It's the turn. I have check-raised this guy who I am pretty sure is holding JT - you should have seen him light up when the T fell. And the pot is gigantic because it was five bets seven ways preflop.

He is grabbing for more chips.

Dealer leans over and tells him that if I have an overpair then JT is no good.

I didn't react at the time - I was too busy worrying about the inevitable J, T, K or A river - but obviously I should have done something. What should I have done?

Guy.

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SHUT UP AND BET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sort out the dead bodies later.

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What should I have done?

Tell the dealer politely only one person to a hand.

If you won the pot, do not toke the dealer. Call the floor over and calmly explain what happened.

I would probably never tip this dealer again...ever.

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This is solid advice.

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Finish the hand, sit the next hand out and have a little conversation with the floor. No need to create a scene in front of the table.

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I wouldnt make a scene really. No need to make yourself look like a knob, but yeah. The floor has to hear about this quick smart.

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I don't think bringing this up right away would look like a knob at all. It's that bad a breach, I'm bringing it up right there. This is a basic rule that every dealer should know. I go to bat for dealers, but you can bet they'd be hearing about this one.

b

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I wait until the hand is over.
Calmly explain to the dealer what he did was very wrong, and if he does it again, I will get the shift manager. (too often the Floor would be 0 help).
If the dealer gives me any grief back, I stop the game and demand the shift manager.

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I think you have to say something right there and then, not wait.

Accuse the dealer of cheating/collusion...maybe stop just short of that?

Definitely get the floor involved.

This is a pretty big dealer no-no.

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Finish the hand, sit the next hand out and have a little conversation with the floor. No need to create a scene in front of the table.

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there isnt?
I would wait till the hand plays out and then YELL for the floor, while going off on the dealer. I would make sure at least this dealer would NEVER recieve another tip from me (I HAVE DEALT FOR 4 YEARS) and not to mention I would make sure that this dealer would recieve a writeup for this incident. I have a rule that wes beaten into my brain ever since I started dealing that is: GET in the box pitch the cards and shut your mouth, while sitll controlling and calling your game properly. I also agree with the poster who mentioned that this woult be grounds for firing IMO.

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Stay Calm!
Find out when the dealers shift ends.
Meet him and take him out to a 5 star restaurant.
Make sure he enjoys his last meal.

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Make sure he enjoys his last meal.

I like this.


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Stay Calm!
Find out when the dealers shift ends.
Meet him and take him out to a 5 star restaurant.
Make sure he enjoys his last meal.

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Trip report?

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Finish the hand, sit the next hand out and have a little conversation with the floor. No need to create a scene in front of the table.

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there isnt?
I would wait till the hand plays out and then YELL for the floor, while going off on the dealer. I would make sure at least this dealer would NEVER recieve another tip from me (I HAVE DEALT FOR 4 YEARS) and not to mention I would make sure that this dealer would recieve a writeup for this incident. I have a rule that wes beaten into my brain ever since I started dealing that is: GET in the box pitch the cards and shut your mouth, while sitll controlling and calling your game properly. I also agree with the poster who mentioned that this woult be grounds for firing IMO.

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And that accomplishes what, exactly?

I agree that this is a serious offense that is approaching grounds for firing, but what is the point of making a scene in front of other players? If anything, that's going to make management less likely to take action, not more; the floorman has a responsibility to protect his dealers in front of the customers no matter how big of a mistake has been made. This dealer needs to be re-educated if not replaced, and I certainly wouldn't tip him after that, but getting into a screaming bout on the casino floor is just counter-productive. Keep the game moving.

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Finish the hand, sit the next hand out and have a little conversation with the floor. No need to create a scene in front of the table.

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there isnt?
I would wait till the hand plays out and then YELL for the floor, while going off on the dealer. I would make sure at least this dealer would NEVER recieve another tip from me (I HAVE DEALT FOR 4 YEARS) and not to mention I would make sure that this dealer would recieve a writeup for this incident. I have a rule that wes beaten into my brain ever since I started dealing that is: GET in the box pitch the cards and shut your mouth, while sitll controlling and calling your game properly. I also agree with the poster who mentioned that this woult be grounds for firing IMO.

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And that accomplishes what, exactly?

I agree that this is a serious offense that is approaching grounds for firing, but what is the point of making a scene in front of other players? If anything, that's going to make management less likely to take action, not more; the floorman has a responsibility to protect his dealers in front of the customers no matter how big of a mistake has been made. This dealer needs to be re-educated if not replaced, and I certainly wouldn't tip him after that, but getting into a screaming bout on the casino floor is just counter-productive. Keep the game moving.

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I am not advociating to get in a SCREAMING match on the casino floor, but the floor needs to be notified ASAP. While I understand that the floor has a responsibiltiy to his dealers to protect them, THE FLOOR ALSO HAS A RESPOSNSIBILITY TO THE GAME AND IT'S PLAYERS!!!!!, to see that the game is run correctly and FAIR! Any dealer that cannot fully doso should be instantly removed from the game, followed br either reducation or firing.

Think about if this was a rake issue, and the dealer couldnt properly take the rake, while the floor man just noticed the dealer missing the proper rake 5 times in a row, dont you think that dealer would be pushed on like the next hand and the reduciated on how to pull the rake, and if he couldnt get it then he wold be fired.

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Finish the hand, sit the next hand out and have a little conversation with the floor. No need to create a scene in front of the table.

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there isnt?
I would wait till the hand plays out and then YELL for the floor, while going off on the dealer. I would make sure at least this dealer would NEVER recieve another tip from me (I HAVE DEALT FOR 4 YEARS) and not to mention I would make sure that this dealer would recieve a writeup for this incident. I have a rule that wes beaten into my brain ever since I started dealing that is: GET in the box pitch the cards and shut your mouth, while sitll controlling and calling your game properly. I also agree with the poster who mentioned that this woult be grounds for firing IMO.

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And that accomplishes what, exactly?

I agree that this is a serious offense that is approaching grounds for firing, but what is the point of making a scene in front of other players? If anything, that's going to make management less likely to take action, not more; the floorman has a responsibility to protect his dealers in front of the customers no matter how big of a mistake has been made. This dealer needs to be re-educated if not replaced, and I certainly wouldn't tip him after that, but getting into a screaming bout on the casino floor is just counter-productive. Keep the game moving.

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This is Bellagio. Management isn't going to take action anyway.

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AGREE

I have had very shady dealing with the belligio in the past.

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Meh, the B is the last place I'd expect to see this happen.

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Make sure he enjoys his last meal.

I like this.


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Second that

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but getting into a screaming bout on the casino floor is just counter-productive

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Who said anything about a screaming match? You can be perfectly calm while asking the dealer what the hell he thinks he's doing.

b

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He is grabbing for more chips.

Dealer leans over and tells him that if I have an overpair then JT is no good.


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In 15 years of cardroom play I have never heard of this happening. Forget the floor, call in the shift manager or meet with them after the hand and demand a follow-up. I think I would also go to the gaming commission to report the dealer.

However, for sake of argument, what would you do if the player, presumably drunk or inexperienced, asked the dealer if an overpair would beat TJ and the dealer then answered?

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He is grabbing for more chips.

Dealer leans over and tells him that if I have an overpair then JT is no good.


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In 15 years of cardroom play I have never heard of this happening. Forget the floor, call in the shift manager or meet with them after the hand and demand a follow-up. I think I would also go to the gaming commission to report the dealer.

However, for sake of argument, what would you do if the player, presumably drunk or inexperienced, asked the dealer if an overpair would beat TJ and the dealer then answered?

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Just as bad or slighty less bad. Dealer should say in your scenario "Sorry sir, I can't answer that during the hand."

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First off I would immediately say to the dealer that advising players during the hand is a clear violation of the one player to a hand rule and that you want the floor right now. Don't finish your action till the floor arrives. Insist the floor watches the rest of the hand to enforce the rule on the dealer. You don't have to yell but I'd make damn sure to make a point here to this dealer.

Next, he's not getting another tip from me till hell freezes over, and I'm going to tell him that as soon as the hand is over.

If you made your point effectively when the floor arrives you can't do too much more than that. If the floor is a schmuck I'd take it to a more reliable manager after that.

Al

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Finish the hand, sit the next hand out and have a little conversation with the floor. create a scene in front of the table.

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Too tired to look for the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland, but:

OFF WITH HER HEAD

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I can't even comprehend advising a player while dealing, much less during a hand, but I can easily comprehend what the table reaction would be if I did.

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OP, So what was the floor's ruling/reaction.

The dealers at the B are usually the most technically proficient overall of any casino I've seen, and prob. the most highly sought after job as far as dealing poker goes. I wouldn't be surprised if:

nothing happened / fired / suspended / sent home,

given the range of competence/care shown by B's floor-people.

p.s. i wouldn't make a stink during the hand, in case villain actually had JT and was gonna put in 2 more BB!!

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However, for sake of argument, what would you do if the player, presumably drunk or inexperienced, asked the dealer if an overpair would beat TJ and the dealer then answered?


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It is possible that this is what happened.

Guy.

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OP, So what was the floor's ruling/reaction.


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I am ashamed to say that I didn't complain. Too English for my own good I suppose. By the time I'd finished stacking the chips from that pot two more dealers had come and gone anyway [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

To add to my confusion, the players to my left and right, who were not in the pot, had stood up behind me and were audibly discussing what they put me and the other players on. I heard one say that he thought I had to have a house; the other said overpair; and one said that he thought the opponent in question "has JT and thinks it's good." I don't know how many people heard that or whether it was before or after the discussion between that player and the dealer.

Are players allowed to do that kind of thing?

Guy.

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To add to my confusion, the players to my left and right, who were not in the pot, had stood up behind me and were audibly discussing what they put me and the other players on...Are players allowed to do that kind of thing?


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No.

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To add to my confusion, the players to my left and right, who were not in the pot, had stood up behind me and were audibly discussing what they put me and the other players on...Are players allowed to do that kind of thing?


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No.

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Actually, yes. And so are dealers if no one says anything. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

b

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OP, So what was the floor's ruling/reaction.


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I am ashamed to say that I didn't complain. Too English for my own good I suppose. By the time I'd finished stacking the chips from that pot two more dealers had come and gone anyway [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

To add to my confusion, the players to my left and right, who were not in the pot, had stood up behind me and were audibly discussing what they put me and the other players on. I heard one say that he thought I had to have a house; the other said overpair; and one said that he thought the opponent in question "has JT and thinks it's good." I don't know how many people heard that or whether it was before or after the discussion between that player and the dealer.

Are players allowed to do that kind of thing?

Guy.

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Damn, you can't let people do that to you man. Dealer giving players help? People talking behind your back and all? Get yourself one of these and no one will be discussing your play again.

GL

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do nothing.

wait a couple hands, the say the following (loudly enough for the whole table to hear):
"holy [censored] (dealer's name) is that you? I didn't recognize you because the last time I saw you we were both so coked out of our minds. remember the hooker that wouldn't bring her price down for you? man I can't believe you were still trying to bang her after we found out she was only 15! well, here's a little something to get you started."

then give him a dollar. few tips should follow.

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That's a pretty lookin' gun.

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I'm all for a scene. Leap over the table and choke the life out of that SOB. Then advise your opponent that JT is indeed good.

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Tell'em to STFU...

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tell the guy 2 pair JAcks and Tens does beat overpair and 55 since the 10J add up to 20, and your QQ+ and 55 can max add up to 16. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]