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orange 04-23-2007 08:25 PM

AQ turn play
 
simple Q i guess. raise or call? villan is tighter than most, like 23 vpip/14pfr. hero is taggy. eh?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $204
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $227.50</font>
UTG: $173.50
MP: $210.40
CO: $49.40
BTN: $221.15

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $2, 3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $6, UTG calls $6

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($24) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($24) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $10</font>, Hero ...

carnivalhobo 04-23-2007 08:26 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
i still 3bet this guy

jsut call as played

AZDezertRat 04-23-2007 08:41 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
I think his range here is QJ+... while the T is in his range so are hands like A9 and AJ, i raise here

The.Accountant 04-23-2007 08:43 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
I like to spew a lot, but I think I just call here.

aislephive 04-23-2007 08:44 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
I'd fold preflop, he's raising from the SB after an UTG limper. I think his range has AQ crushed. As played I'd just call. Maybe minraise for a free showdown or something silly that would work.

sc000t 04-23-2007 08:50 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
raising this seems horrible here.

cking 04-23-2007 08:52 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
I'd keep the pot small, just call and conceal strengh somewhat. If river is another spade give up otherwise id just c/c the river

willw9 04-23-2007 08:54 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
Raise to $25, check most rivers.

Rooky 04-23-2007 08:59 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
i would also 3bet pre i think...push UTG out...then have position

as played...probably just call to keep pot small with aim at getting to showdown cheaply as possible...reevaluate after player behind has acted and then on river...i think your behind though..can fold to river bet

i dont think raising is option on thsi board with player behind you...

Another impt factor i think is that SB is betting into 2 players on this board...either hes an idiot or he has a made hand.

4_2_it 04-23-2007 09:00 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
Raise this pre-flop. Makes the hand much easier to play.

As played, call and fold if UTG raises. If UTG calls, then I think an unimproved river is a check fold.

BobboFitos 04-23-2007 09:01 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
default to a norm bet is call. since he bet so small you may have to raise.

4_2_it 04-23-2007 09:05 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
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default to a norm bet is call. since he bet so small you may have to raise.

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How does having UTG left to act factor into your thinking? I think raising is a much easier line when the pot is HU.

mythrilfox 04-23-2007 09:10 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
don't want utg to overcall getting incredible odds w/ QJ/J9/random spade hand, and he likely does not have us beat right now. if anything maybe we should be more likely to raise here since we almost always get free showdown and we'll find out immediately if either one of them has us beat

BobboFitos 04-23-2007 09:11 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
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default to a norm bet is call. since he bet so small you may have to raise.

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How does having UTG left to act factor into your thinking? I think raising is a much easier line when the pot is HU.

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turns it more into a raise. he limp called pf. he didnt bet the flop. he is a non factor, except if you call 10, suddenly that dude can overcall correctly with alot of stuff

BobboFitos 04-23-2007 09:12 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
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don't want utg to overcall getting incredible odds w/ QJ/J9/random spade hand, and he likely does not have us beat right now. if anything maybe we should be more likely to raise here since we almost always get free showdown and we'll find out immediately if either one of them has us beat

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vince: bingo bango bongo

ronitonline 04-23-2007 09:30 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
Yeah... You cant let UTG in for such a good price, I guess you have to raise.

Rooky 04-23-2007 09:39 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
after reading the other posts...i initially liked the idea of the raise for the reasons mythrilfox said...but

that makes sense if we have a relatively strong hand or we are confident that SB has AK or is bluffing on some level (the only situations in which SB is folding to a raise)...but i think on this board, its dangerous to raise with such a marginal hand...putting UTG out of picture for a minute...we are still likely to be behind SB anyway...we only beating his AJ,A9,A8 etc

I cant see how we can be raising here for value...

Raising is a waste of money...what worse hands are calling??? were gonna get called/raised by better hands only...we are either a long way behind here or only very marginally infront...dont you think???

i would be waiting for a better spot.

Matt Flynn 04-23-2007 10:35 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
limon might well minraise....

Panthro 04-23-2007 10:39 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
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limon might well minraise....

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tbh, I don't think it's a terrible idea in hero's spot.

4_2_it 04-23-2007 10:42 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
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limon might well minraise....

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Hmmm. Doesn't commit stacks, gets value from a worse A and allows for a fold on a horrific river.......

Matt Flynn 04-23-2007 10:50 PM

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limon might well minraise....

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tbh, I don't think it's a terrible idea in hero's spot.

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me neither.

Massimo 04-23-2007 10:57 PM

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I'd fold preflop, he's raising from the SB after an UTG limper. I think his range has AQ crushed. As played I'd just call.

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This is by far the best advice in this post.

ev. 04-23-2007 11:33 PM

Re: AQ turn play
 
what does minraising do?


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