bluff when my hand might have showdown value...
 

opp has been 28/22, doesn't seem to open any less from earlier positions than from elsewhere. i'm playing a little lag i think.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($261.40)
SB ($85.10)
BB ($137.50)
UTG ($246.50)
MP ($200)
CO ($277.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($19) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $14</font>, Hero calls $14, BB folds.

Turn: ($47) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($47) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $32</font>, UTG calls $32.

Final Pot: $111

Re: bluff when my hand might have showdown value...
 

the time to bet is the turn b/c it maximizes his folding and you can still suck out.

river bet is bad ldo

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This actually doesn't look terrible.

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river bet is bad b/c you are gonna get looked up with all sorts of [censored] with the line we took but still fold out air, which is the only thing we really beat. Its basically burning money

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i probably wouldnt bet like QJ on the turn. he might c/r allin with a lot of stuff that i may or may not have beat. (pair+straight, maybe as low as KQ, def. AQ). i thought if i wanted to rep a decent queen it would be better to make a "pot control" turn check and then a valueish river bet. plus i get to see if he bets the river, which he'd probably do with a good hand

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bet the turn. just like you would if you were floating with air. if he calls, check behind any non-7 river.

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flop call is horrible are you guys retarded?

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I either reraise flop or fold. As you played i bet turn 100% of the time. As played i check behind river

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I don't understand why you just don't check behind on river. A 28/22 that completely shuts down is going to have total air here a lot.

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flop call is horrible are you guys retarded?

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It's ok if you bet the turn when checked to

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flop call is horrible are you guys retarded?

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its called a float newb, plz be more respectful

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Against a 28/22 I'm calling with 77 here not because I'm floating, but rather because my hand figures to be good here a lot of the time. With that said I do mix in a lot of raises , and sometimes fold.

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dont really see why i'd raise the flop. seems like a nuts/nothing kind of move (kq is the only legitimate hand in btwn that i might do this with). pretty decent chance my 77 is good here too, since he's probably cbetting close to 100% of his range. can't imagine just folding a flop this favorable. also i have potential bluff opportunities down the line if the board gets scary that i don't have with a flop raise on a dry board.

"bet the turn. just like you would if you were floating with air. if he calls, check behind any non-7 river."

this doesn't really seem relevant. i don't have air, and my hand has a lot of outs + showdown value. also why wouldn't i bet if i made my straight?

in retrospect i'm not sure i like my river bet. i think his range is pretty weighted towards hands in between queens and my hand, so i thought a bet might fold them out. i was really pretty worried he hit a jack on me w/ AJ/KJ/JT/J9. i don't think he folds these on the river though. i think it's an effective bet against 99-TT and an 8 though. so maybe not terrible but maybe not the best.

also, vs. his hand range i dont think my hand has much showdown value. he could hit this board a ton of ways.

anyhoo he had kq and called.

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flop call is horrible are you guys retarded?

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its called a float newb, plz be more respectful

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oh sorry im just stupid.

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This is probably the worst played hand ever

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its really surprising mid stakes players dont visit this forum because the content is unreal. Really deep thinking here.

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yeah, some more redgrape posts would really help remedy that situation

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its really surprising mid stakes players dont visit this forum because the content is unreal. Really deep thinking here.

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i am a midstakes player, I post mainly here.

To sum up my thoughts on this hand:
PF - std call in position with a low pair
Flop - std call in position against an aggro player for value and/or floating
Turn - This is a great card to bluff because you can fold second pair, 1010 and two overs. If he still calls you probably have 10 outs.
River - Is bad b/c you are taking a hand that had showdown value and turning it into a bluff

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This is a pretty good flop to float no? If not I am really doing alot of things wrong.

Anyway the turn just got better with an straight draw, so really I bet close to pot here almost always.

River is about the easiest check through ever, no idea why you bet this, especially given your line from previous streets, I guess you get a bit of value from AK etc...but thats about it.

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flop call is horrible are you guys retarded?

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its called a float newb, plz be more respectful

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This is a [censored] terrible spot to float, lol.

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flop call is horrible are you guys retarded?

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its called a float newb, plz be more respectful

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This is a [censored] terrible spot to float, lol.

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not the best obv, but not retarded given villain is a little over agro

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flop call is horrible are you guys retarded?

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its called a float newb, plz be more respectful

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This is a [censored] terrible spot to float, lol.

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not the best obv, but not retarded given villain is a little over agro

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I run about 25/22 and in Villain's shoes I am rarely betting 3-way really dry flops with air, unless I am playing against 2 very weak villains.

Given that hero here is tight, and Villain probably knows this, I think it's a terrible spot to float and Villain's betting range usually crushes 77.

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why float this flop? why check turn? why bet river?
this hand makes no sense on any level

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yeah in retrospect i agree with the turn bet... i think i am vastly overestimating the times i get raised off my draw.

bilbo - i didn't even consider folding the flop. if you don't c-bet dry q-high boards what flops do you bet on?? those are the absolute best flops to cbet on! with position and future leverage on scarecards and what could well be the best hand already, i don't think you should be folding for just 1 bet. hes raising too often utg and c-betting too often; i am going to punish him dearly for that.

also, nowhere has it been said that i am tight. ive coldcalled a couple of his raises otb

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flop call is horrible are you guys retarded?

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its called a float newb, plz be more respectful

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This is a [censored] terrible spot to float, lol.

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not the best obv, but not retarded given villain is a little over agro

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I run about 25/22 and in Villain's shoes I am rarely betting 3-way really dry flops with air, unless I am playing against 2 very weak villains.

Given that hero here is tight, and Villain probably knows this, I think it's a terrible spot to float and Villain's betting range usually crushes 77.

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You're kidding me, you don't cbet on this board? I'm cbetting all but the drawiest boards here as villain. You should be too.

I don't like this float much at all, given he raised UTG and bet the flop, etc. Even when he has stuff like overcards he has a lot of outs. If I did call though, I would bet the turn.

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flop call is horrible are you guys retarded?

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its called a float newb, plz be more respectful

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hahahaha
i love when i see people who dont use the word newb all the time say it.
it hits me in the funny bone.

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Um should you be more likely to bet 3 way with air on dry flops with one high card than wet ones? At least thats what aba20 says in his videos and it makes sense to me because it is hard for anyone to connect to the flop

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i probably wouldnt bet like QJ on the turn. he might c/r allin with a lot of stuff that i may or may not have beat. (pair+straight, maybe as low as KQ, def. AQ). i thought if i wanted to rep a decent queen it would be better to make a "pot control" turn check and then a valueish river bet. plus i get to see if he bets the river, which he'd probably do with a good hand

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Im not sure you can expect this opponent to be thinking like that if you describe him like this:

"opp has been 28/22, doesn't seem to open any less from earlier positions than from elsewhere."