bellagio 50/100 live vs Jamie Gold
 

50/100 game at the bellagio...we basically sat down a few minutes earlier...i am sitting with about 22k and jamie slightly covers...

i know people are probably going to hate preflop - and i understand this sentiment...i was trying to get a feel for the table since we all just sat down...also, preflop i missed whether gold made a minraise or if he straddled (yes, bad...and uncharacteristic)...anyways,

gold makes it 200 UTG, i call with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]...2 more callers and the bb completes..pot to the flop is 1100

Flop - K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

jamie checks, i bet 1000...everyone folds to jamie who calls

pot 3100...turn is the 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

jamie immediately leads for 3k...i think for a minute and make it 10k...jamie looks at me and says "you make it 10k?" and then turns to the dealer and says "he made it 10k? Ok, i call" in that frantic sort of Jamie Gold way...

pot is now 23,100...before the river card is dealt, Jamie says "I'm just going to go all in"...river is the 2d

comments on the hand? what range of hands do we put jamie on?

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LOL Jamie is hilarious

I think preflop is fine occasionally. I hate your turn raise and I think you should've just called the turn (and probably called most rivers.

As played I insta muck. I hate to give Gold credit for being any sort of smart, but he should have learned by now that his style and demeanor provokes a lot of loose calls. Plus, he is the world champ, and unless he knows you are good, he could think you just want to bust him for a story (this may sound retarded but Moneymaker, Hachem, and Raymer have all said that this is true beyond a doubt).

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u have 22k.. and u put half ur stack in on the turn, with lots of draws out, and now you want to fold? fwiw, if i butchered the hand this bad, i would call the river 2d for SURE.

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i actually dont mind preflop at all. against jamie i call, you dont understand how crazy/retarded he is. he makes bluffs when he has absolutely no fold equity. your play though, i probably just call his turn bet and let him hang himself on the river.

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Im so wanting to know what you did

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u have 22k.. and u put half ur stack in on the turn, with lots of draws out, and now you want to fold? fwiw, if i butchered the hand this bad, i would call the river 2d for SURE.

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ya ur right

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Im so wanting to know what you did

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me too. although i hope it was something like, [ QUOTE ]
Jamie says "I'm just going to go all in"...river is the 2d

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OMG what a juicy game... I only hate preflop because it is against Jamie Gold. If you re-raise, he's going to call with ANYTHING. If it was anyone else, I don't mind you just calling that that bad.

I agree with Raptor... but I wouldn't enjoy calling the river.

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btw i hope he had 45o haha

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he could think you just want to bust him for a story (this may sound retarded but Moneymaker, Hachem, and Raymer have all said that this is true beyond a doubt).

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The difference is that Jamie Gold is horrible, and who knows if he would even pick up on something as simple as that.... though I could be mistaken.

OP, by the end of the session, what were your thoughts on Gold's play?

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mistake #1, not covering jamie?

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call, jesus plz never waste my time with hand like this

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it's gotta be a call and not close: from what i've seen of jamie, he frequently randomly leads the river when he does not have the lead in the hand as a bluff

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if he's going all in in the dark, the least you could do is call in the dark, too

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(1) I really wish i had 25k to sit in this game, because 10 hours later i would have $125k.

(2) Hands he could have: AA (min raise UTG, just like in .10/.25 party), KQ-KT, maybe K9s, or some other dumb [censored] hand like 96s.

However, i do not think this is total air, he is not calling the reraise on the turn w/ a draw then betting 10k into a 21k pot on a completely blank river.

He seems to overplay his top pair hands so i am assuming he has this, or probably some [censored] hand that made 2 pair. K6s maybe?

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50/100 game at the bellagio...we basically sat down a few minutes earlier...i am sitting with about 22k and jamie slightly covers...

i know people are probably going to hate preflop - and i understand this sentiment...i was trying to get a feel for the table since we all just sat down...also, preflop i missed whether gold made a minraise or if he straddled (yes, bad...and uncharacteristic)...anyways,

gold makes it 200 UTG, i call with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]...2 more callers and the bb completes..pot to the flop is 1100

Flop - K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

jamie checks, i bet 1000...everyone folds to jamie who calls

pot 3100...turn is the 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

jamie immediately leads for 3k...i think for a minute and make it 10k...jamie looks at me and says "you make it 10k?" and then turns to the dealer and says "he made it 10k? Ok, i call" in that frantic sort of Jamie Gold way...

pot is now 23,100...before the river card is dealt, Jamie says "I'm just going to go all in"...river is the 2d

comments on the hand? what range of hands do we put jamie on?

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Preflop is fine as long as you occassionaly back raise.
Flop is good. Turn I would probably "just call." The problem is, your hand is much better suited as a bluff catcher (since it's only one pair), and by just calling on this draw heavy of a board he will be induced very often into bluffing rivers. Also, you don't want to give him a chance to get away from a hand like KQ-10. Basically, vs. Jamie unless I was able to cut through his double and triple reverse psychology to get a good read (he reminds me so much of NYU Dave), I would call turn and call almost any river. You generally will make more money when you are ahead and lose less when behind with this line, as opposed to the one you took.

As played, you have to call.

Say hi to all the guys out there for me, wish I could be there,
dlpnyc21

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if he's going all in in the dark, the least you could do is call in the dark, too

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u have 22k.. and u put half ur stack in on the turn, with lots of draws out, and now you want to fold? fwiw, if i butchered the hand this bad, i would call the river 2d for SURE.

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Even though it's JG,and completely mis-played on all streets,its a still call IMO.Our 22k+ in the pot "might" still return because it is still JAMIE GOLD.

Why the raise on the turn,and then question the 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] river call?

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I'm really upset because I feel like you called and lost.

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Jamie prolly had a pair with a draw. Sounds like you lost, 92 of spades?

You're suppose to call btw.

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I don't understand how preflop is ever ok. He is going to call any hand he opened with, so why exactly don't you want to raise? If you have position and always play better and he hangs himself, you want as much money in the pot on every street as possible, calling preflop doesn't really accomplish that.

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I don't understand how preflop is ever ok. He is going to call any hand he opened with, so why exactly don't you want to raise? If you have position and always play better and he hangs himself, you want as much money in the pot on every street as possible, calling preflop doesn't really accomplish that.

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It's a live thing. He's barely sat down and stacked his chips, he has no idea whether or not there is a straddle. If he takes his time to compose himself, stack his chips, and then he pops it, it will reveal too much about the strength of his hand. For some reason, this happens to me a lot live (getting a premium hand within seconds of sitting down and being a bit frazzled). Also, most people will give respect to a reraise the first time someone does it, although Jamie might not care.
dlpnyc21

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I don't understand how preflop is ever ok. He is going to call any hand he opened with, so why exactly don't you want to raise? If you have position and always play better and he hangs himself, you want as much money in the pot on every street as possible, calling preflop doesn't really accomplish that.

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It's a live thing. He's barely sat down and stacked his chips, he has no idea whether or not there is a straddle. If he takes his time to compose himself, stack his chips, and then he pops it, it will reveal too much about the strength of his hand. For some reason, this happens to me a lot live (getting a premium hand within seconds of sitting down and being a bit frazzled). Also, most people will give respect to a reraise the first time someone does it, although Jamie might not care.
dlpnyc21

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Yeh but you can use this to your advantage as well by giving off a false tell.

Re: bellagio 50/100 live vs Jamie Gold
 

i hate inflating this pot on the turn vs. gold. having played a bit with him live, basically i agree with dlp.

this is a very weird/bluffy line from him, it just reeks of like J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or something. due to the suits in your hand it's hard for him to have a good pair+draw on the flop, so I would expect this to be either a really huge hand or some cheesy pair/draw that picked up outs on the turn. usually the latter.

EDIT: yes gold will refuse to give up those hands to the turn raise pretty often, doubt there will be much dissension about that but just in case

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once we raise the turn i am calling off all my chips no matter what the river brings. especially since he bet dark.

i think normally i would just call the turn. and then call most rivers.

gold doesn't usually make huge bets right?

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Wouldn't it be easy enough to simply ask if toptop is good here?

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am i the only thinking that jamie gold is actually a very good player?

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RESULTSSSSSSS DAMN IT!!!

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am i the only thinking that jamie gold is actually a very good player?

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yes.

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am i the only thinking that jamie gold is actually a very good player?

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lol donkaments

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am i the only thinking that jamie gold is actually a very good player?

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what?

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am i the only thinking that jamie gold is actually a very good player?


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i don't know if "very good" is correct, but he looks a lot harder to play agaisnt than dudes like hachem.

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am i the only thinking that jamie gold is actually a very good player?

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yes

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i don't know if "very good" is correct, but he looks a lot harder to play agaisnt than dudes like hachem.

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a.k.a. so bad its stupefying.

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Resultz pls

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am i the only thinking that jamie gold is actually a very good player?


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i don't know if "very good" is correct, but he looks a lot harder to play agaisnt than dudes like hachem.

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he's not, in my experience. pretty much the only way to put yourself to a really tough decision against him is to inflate the pot with a marginal hand. he's not always predictable but he doesn't apply that much pressure very often.

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Wouldn't he just push over your raise on that turn if he realy had a hand ??

as played I think you got to call too, but I'm not happy about it

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am i the only thinking that jamie gold is actually a very good player?


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i don't know if "very good" is correct, but he looks a lot harder to play agaisnt than dudes like hachem.

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If you have patience, I'm sure playing against Gold is much easier and much more profitable.

Re: bellagio 50/100 live vs Jamie Gold
 

Call dark.

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say "I have TOP TOP BITCH!" and call