50-30-10 payout - how should I adjust?
 

I've played in the neighborhood of 5k sngs that pay 50-30-20 in the past 6 months, so I have a pretty good idea of how to play them. For the past 1k SNGs I've played (9 person) my finish distribution is roughly 16-15-18% 1st-2nd-3rd (so I've been running well, but that's not the point).

I'd assume the biggest key would be to accumulate chips early on and play in more marginal spots to try to get a big stack early as opposed to playing tight until the blinds get bigger and pushbotting/treading water into the money. My finish distribution as of late suggests I stick around on the bubble and back into 3rd place very often as a shorter stack, so I'm thinking I'd need to look more for +cEV spots early and on the bubble a bit more even as a medium stack, instead of dragging things out until I win a 60/40 to survive and get my money back for 3rd.

One other thought that's occurred to me is the payout jumps 20% from 3rd to 2nd as well as 2nd to 1st, so the big stack could have even more value when down to 3 players in a "mini-bubble" where the other 2 medium/short stacks get worn down trying to survive for 2nd place with a bigger jump in payout.

The SNGs I'm thinking are live and stacks start at 20BB so I'd almost be in "pushbot mode" already at the beginning, with another difference being there are 10 players instead of 9 at the start, which would just advocate an even tighter mode of play to begin with. Buy-in is $100 or $200 so I'm guessing they'll be pretty soft. If anyone else has any experience with this type of SNG I'd appreciate a little advice, as I've never played a live STT before and am not quite sure what to expect.

Re: 50-30-10 payout - how should I adjust?
 

Seriously, no one has any suggestions at all? Is there any way to go over hands with different payout structures with a program like SNGPT or does everyone here only know how to play 50-30-20 like me?

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"Is there any way to go over hands with different payout structures with a program like SNGPT."

SNGPT allows you to plus in whatever pay structure you want. Purchase it and use it.

Re: 50-30-10 payout - how should I adjust?
 

You could start by asking an actual question or clarifying what the heck a 50-30-10 payout is.

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I would adjust by finding a SNG that pays out 100% en totale.

50+30+10 =90

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This is obv his home game where 10% of the prize pool is set aside to be sent to Wickss.

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i think you just need to play as if 2nd is the money bubble.

Re: 50-30-10 payout - how should I adjust?
 

3 guys go to rent a hotel room, the room is $30, so they each pay $10. Later that night the hotel guy finds out the room is only $25 so he gives $5 to the bell boy to split between the 3 guys. The bellboy did not know how to split $5 in 3 ways so he kept $2 for himself and gave $1 to each guy so the guys only paid $9 a piece right? So if the guys paid $27 and the bellboy kept $2, where is the other dollar?

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Lolz 9+9+9+1+1+1=30

$30-$27=3 which is given back to the men (the two dollars is from the 27 that was paid)

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I would adjust by finding a SNG that pays out 100% en totale.

50+30+10 =90

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I suppose I could clarify that it's like a buy-in for 9+1 or 10 total with 10 players.

Re: 50-30-10 payout - how should I adjust?
 

So its more like 55%/33%/11%

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"Is there any way to go over hands with different payout structures with a program like SNGPT."

SNGPT allows you to plus in whatever pay structure you want. Purchase it and use it.

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Just purchased SNGPT so I will have fun with it for a while. I didn't know if there was anything out there where you could enter different payout structures so hopefully this will answer a lot of my questions on marginal spots with 3-4 players in a hand.

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So its more like 55%/33%/11%

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Yes.

And if anyone's had any experience with a structure like this before (although from the sound of it I'm guessing not), do other players tend to wait around for 3rd like in a 50-30-20 structure or do they gamble it up a bit more when there's 4 players left?

Re: 50-30-10 payout - how should I adjust?
 

Its probably similar, people want to get money (even if its just breakeven) so there is still a bubble at 4 players. You can probably be aggressive at the 3 person profit bubble since they won't want to get 3rd either.

Re: 50-30-10 payout - how should I adjust?
 

The bubble isn't nearly as important.

Re: 50-30-10 payout - how should I adjust?
 

Push less/call more 4+ handed. Push more/call less 3-handed

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Push less/call more 4+ handed. Push more/call less 3-handed

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I think I kinda understand what you're getting at here, but wouldn't it make sense to push more 4 handed as opposed to 3 handed if the price of busting/bubbling isn't as high? (i.e. you could only lose $10 but potentially win $20-40 if you bubbled and finished 4th while trying to make a run for 1st or 2nd, but would win more like $0-10 if you squeak in as a short stack in 3rd and have very little chance of getting 1st or 2nd). I'd think people would play a bit more timid in trying to get into the money with 4 players compared to trying to get to 2nd with 3 players, so it would be a better spot to be more aggressive and chip up to make a run for 1st. Maybe the part that's throwing me a bit is the "calling" more/less part as I'm pretty sure I'd only be pushing/folding when down to 4, but idk..

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3 guys go to rent a hotel room, the room is $30, so they each pay $10. Later that night the hotel guy finds out the room is only $25 so he gives $5 to the bell boy to split between the 3 guys. The bellboy did not know how to split $5 in 3 ways so he kept $2 for himself and gave $1 to each guy so the guys only paid $9 a piece right? So if the guys paid $27 and the bellboy kept $2, where is the other dollar?


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The $2 tip that the bellboy kept should be included in the $27 that they paid for the room, not added on to it.

The other $3 was returned to the 3 guys from the manager.