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I estimate that today I drank 82oz of milk. Perfectly fine, not the best, reason for concern? It totals about 1500 calories, 80g fat, 120g carb, and 80g protein.

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Thats 2/3rds of a jug...I guess it depends on what your trying to do, you might get some acne as a side effect. I personally dont think so much milk is such a good idea seems like everyones into it tho

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That milk was part of a 6800 calorie day (trying to gain weight), fwiw.

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Acne is not influenced by diet, friends.

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The hormones in milk can cause acne find evidence that says otherwise

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unless you milk your own cow and monitor its diet
I wouldnt use that as a reason to not drink milk Im just saying its a side effect

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The hormones in milk can cause acne find evidence that says otherwise

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Milk is pretty difficult for the adult body to digest. Most people can't drink that much without stomach problems because they don't have enough lactase to digest that amount of lactose.

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Scandinavian ftw?

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Milk is pretty difficult for the adult body to digest. Most people can't drink that much without stomach problems because they don't have enough lactase to digest that amount of lactose.

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I've heard dairy is difficult to digest. I'd recommend natural whey protein (not sure what would be good for the calories you're looking for).

A quick google search found this:

Digesting Milk

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wow, never realised milk was so bad for you.

plus drinking a lot = liquid from your ass.

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Milk is pretty difficult for the adult body to digest. Most people can't drink that much without stomach problems because they don't have enough lactase to digest that amount of lactose.

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I've heard dairy is difficult to digest. I'd recommend natural whey protein (not sure what would be good for the calories you're looking for).

A quick google search found this:

Digesting Milk

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Not to be pro-milk or anything, but another side of the argument.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1342839.shtml

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Milk is pretty difficult for the adult body to digest. Most people can't drink that much without stomach problems because they don't have enough lactase to digest that amount of lactose.

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I've heard dairy is difficult to digest. I'd recommend natural whey protein (not sure what would be good for the calories you're looking for).

A quick google search found this:

Digesting Milk

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Not to be pro-milk or anything, but another side of the argument.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1342839.shtml

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I don't see anything in that article that says to drink 82 oz. per day. I'm not saying milk is bad. I'm saying too much of it can give you problems.

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I'm not saying it recommends so much, but it isn't totally indigestable as some people will claim obviously (not that I don't see good points in the other article).

When you say too much can cause problems, is this something that you'll notice as an upset stomach/etc. or something else?

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When you say too much can cause problems, is this something that you'll notice as an upset stomach/etc. or something else?

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It's basically the same thing as lactose intolerance. People that are lactose intolerant just don't have the enzyme necessary to digest lactose. If you know anyone who's lactose intolerant, they get severe cramping, gas, diahrrea, etc. While you're not lactose intolerant as you do have the enzyme, if you drink too much for the amount of enzyme in your stomach to digest, you'll have the same symptoms.

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Thanks.

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How do you drink that much milk in a day without vomiting?!

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Apparently my acne knowledge is out of date. There are some links between milk and acne based on a study with adolescent women. Elevated levels of IGF-1 is linked to acne based on it promoting the formation of keratinocytes, a precursor to acne. IGF-1 is rather anabolic and therefore good for building muscle, but it definitely looks like it's not so good for the acne. Milk naturally contains IGF-1, even the organic stuff.

Interesting. These are all studies from 2005+, which is right around the time I stopped paying attention to this stuff. I may need to cut back on my milk consumption.

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We are the only species on the planet that regularly drinks the milk from another species. That can't be good. Milk is NOT good for you. A majority of the people in this world being lactose intolerant is not just a dumb coincidence.

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AZK, I think you'll need some stronger arguments as to why milk is bad besides the whole "We are the only species that drinks other species' milk." I've always thought those types of arguments were perpetuated by paleolithic diet freaks. C'mon doc, where's the scientific support?

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Skunk: Lol, can you say conflicting studies? Tons of scientific support for milk and against it!

Just like anything else, moderation is probably the key. The answer is usually in the middle.

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It has been more or less. A lot of my anti-milk sentiments come from paleolithic diet literature freaks.

All I know is, when I quit milk my stomach wasn't as upset in the morning as it used to be, I got on a regular bathroom schedule compared to SPRINT to the bathroom within 45 minutes of consuming milk products.

For a while I ate cottage cheese (like a pint a day) and didn't have as severe repercussions...however I noticed I was consistently congested. Nothing major, just minor, always had congestion, it got me thinking, cut it out for 2 weeks, see what happens. Boom. No more congestion... So while it wasn't a major allergy, I think it was minor enough to make a difference.

That's not to say that I have totally cut it off. A lot of people think I have gone nuts quitting all processed carbs, rice, potato, dairy, etc... I still eat this stuff, but it's not a part of my regular diet. As in, the only things in my house are meat/vegetables/fruit/fat. When I go out to eat I'll get a cheeseburger, or nachos or whatever, to keep things easy and from having to get into diet wars with people.

That being said, ever since I've gotten on paleo I have felt incredible.

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lol you're a paleolithic freak! That explains it. I think a lot of the recommendations are correct -- stay away from refined, processed foods, etc. -- but I really wonder about the logic behind it, about how our bodies are best suited to run on ancient, unprocessed foods.

I would like to read some more research about milk. LINKS PLZ kthx

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Mostly just replacing a good amount of water with milk. When you're putting away 6-7k calories a day though, there are definitely a few times when you feel like gagging.

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It has been more or less. A lot of my anti-milk sentiments come from paleolithic diet literature freaks.

All I know is, when I quit milk my stomach wasn't as upset in the morning as it used to be, I got on a regular bathroom schedule compared to SPRINT to the bathroom within 45 minutes of consuming milk products.

For a while I ate cottage cheese (like a pint a day) and didn't have as severe repercussions...however I noticed I was consistently congested. Nothing major, just minor, always had congestion, it got me thinking, cut it out for 2 weeks, see what happens. Boom. No more congestion... So while it wasn't a major allergy, I think it was minor enough to make a difference.

That's not to say that I have totally cut it off. A lot of people think I have gone nuts quitting all processed carbs, rice, potato, dairy, etc... I still eat this stuff, but it's not a part of my regular diet. As in, the only things in my house are meat/vegetables/fruit/fat. When I go out to eat I'll get a cheeseburger, or nachos or whatever, to keep things easy and from having to get into diet wars with people.

That being said, ever since I've gotten on paleo I have felt incredible.

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I think part of the issue is that different people can have very different tolerances for lactose. As many of you already know, humans are the only mammals capable of digesting milk after childhood because of a genetic mututation that arose in northern europe a couple thousand years agos. Although that gene has become very widespread, it is my understanding that it is not an on or off type gene. Some people may will be better at digesting lactose than others. Personally I can consume large quantities of dairy with 0 gastrointestinal discomfort.

My biggest concern with milk, though, is the hormones and [censored] that they inject into the cows, not the lactose. Ad far as how bad those are, I have no idea.

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slickpoppa,

I also have a pretty awesome tolerance for lactose despite being Asian. I can put away a carton of milk a day without a hiccup. It's a cheap, easy way for me to get protein in and it has anabolic benefits, but a couple things are starting to concern me:

1) The high insulin index of milk (it causes a large insulin response, apparently)
2) Its effects on our own hormones (and does organic milk ease this fear?)
3) The link between IGF-1 and acne
4) ???
5) PROFIT

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You want info, I'll give you some damn info!

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Dietary calcium appears to play a pivotal role in the regulation of energy metabolism and obesity risk. High calcium diets attenuate body fat accumulation and weight gain during periods of over-consumption of an energy-dense diet and to increase fat breakdown and preserve metabolism during caloric restriction, thereby markedly accelerating weight and fat loss. This effect is mediated primarily by circulating calcitriol, which regulates adipocyte intracellular Ca(2+). Studies of human adipocyte metabolism demonstrate a key role for intracellular Ca(2+) in regulating lipid metabolism and triglyceride storage, with increased intracellular Ca(2+) resulting in stimulation of lipogenic gene expression and lipogenesis and suppression of lipolysis, resulting in adipocyte lipid filling and increased adiposity. Moreover, the increased calcitriol produced in response to low calcium diets stimulates adipocyte Ca(2+) influx and, consequently, promotes adiposity, while higher calcium diets inhibit lipogenesis, promote lipolysis, lipid oxidation and thermogenesis and inhibit diet-induced obesity in mice. Notably, dairy sources of calcium exert markedly greater effects in attenuating weight and fat gain and accelerating fat loss. This augmented effect of dairy products versus supplemental calcium has been localized, in part, to the whey fraction of dairy and is likely due to additional bioactive compounds, such as angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors in dairy, as well as the rich concentration of branched chain amino acids, which act synergistically with calcium to attenuate adiposity; however, these compounds do not fully account for the observed effects, as whey has significantly greater bioactivity than found in these compounds. These concepts are confirmed by epidemiological data as well as recent clinical trials which demonstrate that diets which include at least three daily servings of dairy products result in significant reductions in body fat mass in obese humans in the absence of caloric restriction and markedly accelerates the weight and body fat loss secondary to caloric restriction compared to low dairy diets. These data indicate an important role for dairy products in both the ability to maintain a healthy weight and the management of overweight and obesity.

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Possible involvement of calcium signaling pathways in L-leucine-stimulated protein synthesis in l6 myotubes.

Miura Y, Nakazawa T, Yagasaki K.

Department of Applied Biological Science, Tokyo Noko University.

L-Leucine is known to stimulate protein synthesis in L6 myotubes. In the present study, we examined the possible involvement of calcium signaling pathways in the stimulation of protein synthesis induced by L-leucine in L6 myotubes. After 16 h of treatment with L-leucine-depleted medium, the re-addition of L-leucine for 4 h augmented protein synthesis by about 50% as compared with an L-leucine-depleted control. Ryanodine receptor antagonists almost completely abolished the stimulatory effect of L-leucine, while IP(3) receptor antagonists showed partial inhibition when added simultaneously with L-leucine. These results suggest the possibility that calcium signaling pathways are involved in L-leucine-stimulated protein synthesis.

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http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=747439


The Weston Price Foundation lit. has many of the supposed bad things about milk coming after pasturization was introduced for your commercial milk needs.

Like I said, your opening up a whole big bag of worms that I don't know nearly enough about. I tend to think don't drink too much milk, but a bit isn't going to kill you.

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We are the only species on the planet that regularly drinks the milk from another species. That can't be good.

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We are also the only species cares if poop is on our food...while I don't disagree with paleo diets, I always hear this argument for don't drink milk and I think it sucks.

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AZK,

I think running a topic on your paleo or near paleo diet and your experience with it would be interesting and lead to valuable debate/discussion in this forum.

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We are the only species on the planet that regularly drinks the milk from another species. That can't be good.

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We are also the only species cares if poop is on our food...while I don't disagree with paleo diets, I always hear this argument for don't drink milk and I think it sucks.

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I agree that is a terrible argument. We are the only species that does a lot of things; some of those are good and some are bad.

Another counter to that argument is that the ability to digest lactose must be beneficial in the evolutionary sense given how rapidly and widely the gene has spread.

And for the biology nerds, here's an interesting article discussing how lactose tolerance is perhaps the first trait in which scientists have been able to document convergent evolution in humans at the genetic level. Apparently the mutation arose independently in Africa and Northern Europe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/scienc...f71&ei=5070

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The answer on this seems simple. If you are lactose intolerant don't drink milk, if you aren't and like milk... Then drink it.

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If you aren't lactose intolerant, are there any negative side effects to drinking lots of milk?

What else am I going to mix my shakes with?

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water? iced green tea?

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I am trying to find this out. As I have posted, I was drinking a gallon of 1% milk/day when I for a while, I flet great, no side effects. But then did a seach "milk and cancer" or something on google and it seems people think dairy does lead to more cases of cancer. Of course nothing is proven at this point but I admit, it got me worried a bit because I was drinking so much of it.

Since then I have cut back a lot but now am having trouble getting as many calories/day and thus am losing weight. Milk is so easy to drink and it tastes good.

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[/ QUOTE ]I would imagine it tastes like crap then, am I wrong?

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metabolic drive tastes great with water...

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I don't have any problem drinking mine with just water. I used to have Myoplex chocolate, and that was the best tasting protein shake I've had personally (also, fine with water).

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We are the only species on the planet that regularly drinks the milk from another species. That can't be good. Milk is NOT good for you. A majority of the people in this world being lactose intolerant is not just a dumb coincidence.

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We're the only species that cooks food, too. Not sure that's proof of much. How would animals acquire the milk of other species?

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I don't see anything in that article that says to drink 82 oz. per day. I'm not saying milk is bad. I'm saying too much of it can give you problems.

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I guess it depends on genetics and tolerance. I've gone without milk for a month now as I'm on a reduced carb cutting-up plan. Prior to that, though, I drank one gallon of skim milk per day, every day, with no ill effects at all. I honestly can't tell any difference between then and now (digestion has always been fine and still is, etc).

My wife, OTOH, is lactose intolerant and can't drink much more than a few sips. I can't imagine what would happen if she tried to drink a gallon of milk in one day.