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Lego05 04-18-2007 11:06 PM

50 NL AA raised on flop
 
Villian is 33.57/22.86/1.88 over 140 hands

3 bet on the flop here?
What line do you take here?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($120.70)
Hero ($50)
Button ($10.15)
SB ($19.75)
BB ($168.90)
UTG ($50.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $13</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

Austiger 04-18-2007 11:21 PM

Re: 50 NL AA raised on flop
 
I would push.

Austiger 04-18-2007 11:25 PM

Re: 50 NL AA raised on flop
 
Let me explain myself. There are times to lay down overpairs. Here are the main things I consider:

1. How good is my overpair? I.e. could I get beat not only by a set, but by aces or kings, etc.?
2. Could villain have a flush draw? strt draw?
3. Is the pot HU or multi-way?

All of these things are going your way. You can't fold overpairs to every raise. This looks like a good one to get it in. Also, villain has &gt;300 BBs so he could be bullying.

barryc83 04-18-2007 11:26 PM

Re: 50 NL AA raised on flop
 
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I would push.

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I agree, too drawy to get cute, I get it in now.

tarheeljks 04-18-2007 11:31 PM

Re: 50 NL AA raised on flop
 
i'm not folding here b/c i don't believe he cr'ed this board w/a set.

Lego05 04-18-2007 11:36 PM

Re: 50 NL AA raised on flop
 
So you guys think a draw is a good part of his range after he check-raises me on the flop? Besides 98d I can't think of any draw that really makes at least some sense for him to do this with.

I was really thinking JJ,QQ,set, with a small liklihood of some sort of drawing hand.

barryc83 04-18-2007 11:39 PM

Re: 50 NL AA raised on flop
 
This guy plays 1/3 of his hands he could def have a draw here. Also, he could have QQ/JJ, but its likely that he RRs these pf with a 22% pfr, obv I cant say though for sure though. I get it in now to charge a draw and so that a scare card doesnt hit on the turn and kill our action.

Austiger 04-18-2007 11:43 PM

Re: 50 NL AA raised on flop
 
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So you guys think a draw is a good part of his range after he check-raises me on the flop? Besides 98d I can't think of any draw that really makes at least some sense for him to do this with.

I was really thinking JJ,QQ,set, with a small liklihood of some sort of drawing hand.

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It's not only that he could have a draw. You are representing a draw as well.

mostman 04-18-2007 11:50 PM

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It's not only that he could have a draw. You are representing a draw as well.

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This is it right here. Villain has JJ.

AntonHeat 04-19-2007 12:48 AM

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I would push.

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Easy push

payday 04-19-2007 01:07 AM

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I would push.

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Easy push

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Better Than U 04-19-2007 01:54 AM

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It's not only that he could have a draw. You are representing a draw as well.

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This is it right here. Villain has JJ.

[/ QUOTE ]He raises 22% of hands so your douchy ass is wrong.

mostman 04-19-2007 02:01 AM

Re: 50 NL AA raised on flop
 
Chill man. No reason to get all worked up. Just opinions.

orange 04-19-2007 03:50 AM

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I would push.

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kolotoure 04-19-2007 04:34 AM

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It's not only that he could have a draw. You are representing a draw as well.

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This is it right here. Villain has JJ.

[/ QUOTE ]He raises 22% of hands so your douchy ass is wrong.

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A wide raising range does not mean that they 3-bet with less then QQ+,AK

Kondzik 04-19-2007 04:50 AM

Re: 50 NL AA raised on flop
 
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Let me explain myself. There are times to lay down overpairs. Here are the main things I consider:

1. How good is my overpair? I.e. could I get beat not only by a set, but by aces or kings, etc.?
2. Could villain have a flush draw? strt draw?
3. Is the pot HU or multi-way?

All of these things are going your way. You can't fold overpairs to every raise. This looks like a good one to get it in. Also, villain has &gt;300 BBs so he could be bullying.

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i agree, id push
although it looks like a set a bit.. but still u cant fold to every agressive player with AA


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