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Theory- The aejones theorem
For a long time I've struggled with my inner-most demons on whether or not I should make this post. After consulting with my own conscience, I've decided to go against the wishes of some of my most prominent confidants. This post will likely revolutionize that way poker is played.
This theory applies to all forms of unlimited texas hold them, specifically short handed, and should absolutely never under any circumstances be applied to omahaha. The aejones theorem: No one ever has anything. That's right, after years of practicing and playing unlimited texas hold them, I found that no one ever has a damn hand! That is why I advocate betting a lot, raising a lot, and most importantly, calling a lot. I obviously have data to back up these claims. Below, I've included an array of hands in which the aejones theorem can be successfully applied: In this hand, it is clear that villian is not aware that I not only know the theorem, but am, in fact, the creator of it. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) BB ($1516.50) UTG ($1028) Hero ($3046) CO ($1231.75) Button ($414.45) SB ($2482) Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>. Flop: ($75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, Button calls $40. Turn: ($155) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $110</font>, Button calls $110. River: ($375) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $234.45 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $234.45. Final Pot: $843.90 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has Jc Ks (two pair, tens and nines). Button has 6c 7c (two pair, tens and nines). Outcome: Hero wins $843.90. </font> There are four to a straight on the board, sure. I don't have top kicker, I'm aware. However, I can always rely on the aejones theorem. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Hero ($1371.50) BB ($2363.50) Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $100</font>, Hero calls $70. Flop: ($200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $120</font>, Hero calls $120. Turn: ($440) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $240</font>, Hero calls $240. River: ($920) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero calls $620. Final Pot: $1540 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has Kd Jh (one pair, jacks). BB has 3d As (high card, ace). Outcome: Hero wins $1540. </font> In this hand, well, pure pimp ownage, in my humble opinion. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) UTG ($485) Hero ($408) CO ($1209.65) Button ($451.60) SB ($799.10) BB ($338) Preflop: Hero is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $12, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>. Flop: ($30) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $66</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $168</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $439.6</font>, Hero calls $228 (All-In). Turn: ($865.60) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> River: ($865.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $865.60 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has 3c 3d (two pair, aces and threes). Button has 7d 4d (one pair, aces). Outcome: Hero wins $822. Button wins $43.60. </font> Trying to put words in the context of this hand could not possibly do it justice: PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Hero ($895) UTG ($1105) MP ($1061) CO ($1081) Button ($1345) SB ($168) Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $35</font>, MP calls $35, CO calls $35, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $185</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, CO calls $150. Flop: ($445) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $260</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $700</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $710</font>, CO calls $10. Turn: ($1865) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> River: ($1865) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Final Pot: $1865 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has Ac 8d (high card, ace). CO has 9h Jc (straight, king high). Outcome: CO wins $1865. </font> As you can see, the aejones theorem is infallible to the superior play, but not infallible to the outcome. In that regard, the aejones theorem is a nonconsquentialist theorem, perhaps even Kantian, but certainly far from Utilitarian (although egoism.. no, I won't go there, har har har). 2/4 donks clearly exhibit a lack of understanding of the aejones theorem: Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Hero ($414.50) Button ($383.50) Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, Button calls $24. Flop: ($78) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, Button checks. Turn: ($78) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $48</font>, Button calls $48. River: ($174) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $92</font>, Hero calls $92. Final Pot: $358 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has 6h 5s (one pair, fives). Button has Jc 6c (high card, jack). Outcome: Hero wins $358. </font> A flat call on the flop, O RLY? aejones theorem-esque second barrel for the WIN PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) UTG ($1128) MP ($1000) Button ($1052) Hero ($3069.15) BB ($1742) Preflop: Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $100</font>, BB calls $90, Button folds. Flop: ($230) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $160</font>, BB calls $160. Turn: ($550) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $401</font>, BB folds. Final Pot: $951 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> No showdown. Hero wins $951. </font> ship ship mcgipp |
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lol
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Could we see the bad calls too?
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after Diablo's "c/r ace-high flops vs the pfr" post, people started check-raising ace-high flops constantly for a few weeks. after cts' "4-bet Ax all in" blog post, people started 4-betting all in with Ax for a week or two.
Hopefully the trend started by this new and revolutionary post will last much, much longer than past trends. |
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of course everyone makes sick calls every once in a while but you make this post like those hands were standard.
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i laughed
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Could we see the bad calls too? [/ QUOTE ] no such thing as a bad call: you get to see their cards. |
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[ QUOTE ] Could we see the bad calls too? [/ QUOTE ] no such thing as a bad call: you get to see their cards. [/ QUOTE ] lol |
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POTY
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Who the hell is aejones?
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i [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] aejones.
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Classic! I will now cite Aejones theorem when I make make super easy underpair call downs.
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aejones is someone not to be bluffed.
Strange, I know a guy that's so new to poker that he doesn't even know the hand rankings but already knows the aejones theorem. He plays exactly the same way. Thanks for the entertaining post. |
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[ QUOTE ] Could we see the bad calls too? [/ QUOTE ] no such thing as a bad call: you get to see their cards. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. |
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of course everyone makes sick calls every once in a while but you make this post like those hands were standard. [/ QUOTE ] They are. |
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I feel like I don't know poker at all when I see hands like this.
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I like the 1st hand. The 3rd hand has to be spew. No opinion on the others.
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Plz take me through hand 3.
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Plz take me through hand 3. [/ QUOTE ] http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/834...inggod2li4.jpg |
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Plz take me through hand 3. [/ QUOTE ] PF: Oh boy, a pocket pair! Raize it Up! Flop: I'll cbet. Hmm, he raised? He's probably bluffing, I'll re-raise. Hmm, he shoved? He's probably bluffing, I CALL YOU. |
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threads like this are so good for the game it's funny.
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Preflop: aejones raises AKo to 75. A call from a loose kid on the button, and he calls in the bb.
Flop (~235): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Ansky donks into the field for 150, aejones call. Turn (~535): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) He leads for 400, aejones call again. River (~1335) A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) [3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] He checks fairly quickly. aejones bets 1250, he check-raises all in for $SIX THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS. aejones FOLDS. Its easy to call big bets when they are under $1000 huh? Get a little scared that time? |
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after Diablo's "c/r ace-high flops vs the pfr" post, people started check-raising ace-high flops constantly for a few weeks. after cts' "4-bet Ax all in" blog post, people started 4-betting all in with Ax for a week or two. Hopefully the trend started by this new and revolutionary post will last much, much longer than past trends. [/ QUOTE ] we're in the "big folds" phase. when we transition to the "big calls" phase ill be so happy. |
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Preflop: aejones raises AKo to 75. A call from a loose kid on the button, and he calls in the bb. Flop (~235): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Ansky donks into the field for 150, aejones call. Turn (~535): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) He leads for 400, aejones call again. River (~1335) A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) [3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] He checks fairly quickly. aejones bets 1250, he check-raises all in for $SIX THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS. aejones FOLDS. Its easy to call big bets when they are under $1000 huh? Get a little scared that time? [/ QUOTE ] MTBlue, It is easy to reload when you have well, well over fifty buy ins and can click "reload" button. It is difficult to reload when I have ten thousand dollars in united states currency on me and I bought in for half of it, DUCY? |
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[ QUOTE ] Preflop: aejones raises AKo to 75. A call from a loose kid on the button, and he calls in the bb. Flop (~235): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Ansky donks into the field for 150, aejones call. Turn (~535): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) He leads for 400, aejones call again. River (~1335) A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) [3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] He checks fairly quickly. aejones bets 1250, he check-raises all in for $SIX THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS. aejones FOLDS. Its easy to call big bets when they are under $1000 huh? Get a little scared that time? [/ QUOTE ] MTBlue, It is easy to reload when you have well, well over fifty buy ins and can click "reload" button. It is difficult to reload when I have ten thousand dollars in united states currency on me and I bought in for half of it, DUCY? [/ QUOTE ] Play 2/5? |
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POTY [/ QUOTE ] |
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nit
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Preflop: aejones raises AKo to 75. A call from a loose kid on the button, and he calls in the bb. Flop (~235): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Ansky donks into the field for 150, aejones call. Turn (~535): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) He leads for 400, aejones call again. River (~1335) A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) [3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] He checks fairly quickly. aejones bets 1250, he check-raises all in for $SIX THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS. aejones FOLDS. Its easy to call big bets when they are under $1000 huh? Get a little scared that time? [/ QUOTE ] MTBlue, It is easy to reload when you have well, well over fifty buy ins and can click "reload" button. It is difficult to reload when I have ten thousand dollars in united states currency on me and I bought in for half of it, DUCY? [/ QUOTE ] Play 2/5? [/ QUOTE ] Would you seriously pass up a chance at a short handed game where Grimstar was the second worst player at the table? |
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lawl
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its my sincere hope that everyone will embrace this revolutionary theorem
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I gotta be honest if I had read this thread prior to that hand in the bahamas, I may have played it a biiiiiiit differently [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].
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uh oh, aejones theorem is already gaining defenders of the new faith.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com Hero ($401.60) UTG ($905.23) Button ($364) SB ($456) Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $50</font>, UTG calls $34. Flop: ($102) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $85</font>, UTG calls $85. Turn: ($272) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero calls $266.60 (All-In), Button folds, UTG calls $266.60. River: ($805.20) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $805.20 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has 2s Ac (three of a kind, queens). UTG has 6d 8d (full house, queens full of eights). Outcome: UTG wins $805.20. </font> |
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I can't imagine how you could get value on that river vs Ansky.
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)
saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> <font color="#C00000">Button ($591)</font> SB ($776.90) <font color="#C00000">Hero ($818.75)</font> UTG ($143.75) MP ($1711.35) Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $84</font>, Button calls $60. Flop: ($171) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $90</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $507</font>, Hero calls $417. Turn: ($1185) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> River: ($1185) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Final Pot: $1185 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has Kh Ad (one pair, threes). Button has 4d 6d (one pair, threes). Outcome: Hero wins $1185. </font> |
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I can't imagine how you could get value on that river vs Ansky. [/ QUOTE ] lol. |
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $84</font>, Button calls $60. Flop: ($171) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $90</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $507</font>, Hero calls $417. [/ QUOTE ] Seriously, I fold here every single time. How do you guys do this? |
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[ QUOTE ] Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $84</font>, Button calls $60. Flop: ($171) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $90</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $507</font>, Hero calls $417. [/ QUOTE ] Seriously, I fold here every single time. How do you guys do this? [/ QUOTE ] When you induce a bluff, you have to call. |
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pretty standard call w. AK vs any non-nit
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How did he induce a bluff? It looks like a standard 3bet/cont bet to me.
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