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Seeeno 04-12-2007 02:05 PM

16$ Stars AK
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 (t1380)
MP1 (t1840)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t1230)</font>
CO (t1595)
Button (t1190)
<font color="#C00000">SB (t1085)</font>
BB (t3785)
UTG (t1395)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t170</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1085</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls t915.

Flop: (t2270) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t2270) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2270) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2270

Kibby 04-12-2007 02:07 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
Readless, I call.

mortimo 04-12-2007 02:11 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
I raise t200 preflop
standard call..NH

JMills109 04-12-2007 02:14 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
Regardless of read call 100%.

Kevin8423 04-12-2007 02:16 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
Calls good here.

As for pf raise with one limper at this level my standard is 175 so I like what you did more than 200 to keep the pot a little more controlled. Nothings wrong with 200 though.

kozip 04-12-2007 05:15 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
if the SB is a tight multitabler then he shoud have QQ+ and its a clear fold to me.
if i dont have reads, i call.

kyro 04-12-2007 05:17 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
[ QUOTE ]
if the SB is a tight multitabler then he shoud have QQ+ and its a clear fold to me.
if i dont have reads, i call.

[/ QUOTE ]

He definitely can have JJ here. At least I can.

lwrunner103 04-12-2007 05:21 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
I raise to 250 because thats what the mouse wheel bet pot script button goes to here./call is fine.

kozip 04-12-2007 05:23 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
against a range of JJ+ its stil a fold.
but i dont know, if its a fold, if villian has JJ+, AK. can someone stove that please?

Kibby 04-12-2007 05:44 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
[ QUOTE ]
against a range of JJ+ its stil a fold.
but i dont know, if its a fold, if villian has JJ+, AK. can someone stove that please?

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I don't need to stove it to know with that range its a fold too. The villain is unlikely to have that range.

kozip 04-12-2007 06:10 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
what range, do you think, does a tight SB have in this spot?

JayTee 04-12-2007 06:15 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
[ QUOTE ]
against a range of JJ+ its stil a fold.
but i dont know, if its a fold, if villian has JJ+, AK. can someone stove that please?

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JJ+,AK it's a slightly losing call. Throw in some AQs and its a call.

JMills109 04-12-2007 08:09 PM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
against a range of JJ+ its stil a fold.
but i dont know, if its a fold, if villian has JJ+, AK. can someone stove that please?

[/ QUOTE ]

JJ+,AK it's a slightly losing call. Throw in some AQs and its a call.

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Unless the landscape of players in 16s has changed dramatically, none of them are ever pushing such a small range with t1000 chips.

kozip 04-13-2007 04:24 AM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
the random fish on the 16$ pushes AQ+ 88+ here, which makes me call, if i think villian is one if them. but i said TIGHT SB.

Luisgallo 04-13-2007 05:06 AM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
instacall.
You face Ak,AQ 99% of the time here.
Nobody plays AA like this, so worst case scenario you are flipping with dead money around.

eurythmech 04-13-2007 05:26 AM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
[ QUOTE ]
instacall.
You face Ak,AQ 99% of the time here.
Nobody plays AA like this, so worst case scenario you are flipping with dead money around.

[/ QUOTE ]

you're wrong, as always

Luisgallo 04-13-2007 05:37 AM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
I hope you are being funny...if not exaplain why in hell it is not a call.
And, as I expect, you won't be able to do so, I will strongly reccomend you to read "Sklansly: nolimit Hold em" where there is an entire chapter dedicated to AK and how profitable in the long run is going all in with big slick.

eurythmech 04-13-2007 06:16 AM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
Of course it's a call, but your 99% figure was drawn out of a humongous ass.

Luisgallo 04-13-2007 06:20 AM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
That wasn't meant to be an EXACT number!
Just to say how often it happens...

dedor 04-13-2007 07:46 AM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
easy easy call

NU Star 04-13-2007 07:51 AM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
[ QUOTE ]
instacall.
You face Ak,AQ 99% of the time here.
Nobody plays AA like this, so worst case scenario you are flipping with dead money around.

[/ QUOTE ]

I push AA from SB here...is that bad?

NU Star 04-13-2007 07:52 AM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
[ QUOTE ]
the random fish on the 16$ pushes AQ+ 88+ here, which makes me call, if i think villian is one if them. but i said TIGHT SB.

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For a random fish range that is way to tight.

Luisgallo 04-13-2007 08:03 AM

Re: 16$ Stars AK
 
Did not say it is bad, just said that more than often people don't play it like this.
IMHO you scare out all the semi marginal hands that might have called your reraise.
As a matter of fact 20% of the time you lose and when you do you lose all your chips therefore you want to double up the remaining 80% of the times.

I am not convinced that reraising all in with AA is achieving this since hands like AQ, AJ, probably JJ and then 10 10 will correctly fold.

Bottom line: chances to face AA + chances to face an AA push are minimal.


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