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I´m fairly new to live play -- migrating from the online world after the UIGEA. I like live a lot more -- it´s slower, but more fun and different strategies.

One thing that I´m just realizing is that people open-raise for a LOT more than what is standard online. I´ve seen a few people on here comment that a 10xBB open-raise is pretty standard. WHY?!? This doesn´t make sense to me. How can this be a good strategy?

Normal buy-in is 100BB right? So open-raise for 10% of your stack? And then what if you face a small raise? to 20BB? Or 25BB? You may be getting the right pot-odds to call, but with 1/4 of your stack in pre-flop, you have no wiggle room after the flop to get information or fold.

I can see if you (and everyone else) had 300BB stacks, maybe. But, even then, a 3-4BB raise is standard because you are getting the right price relative to the blinds. 10xBB, probably not.

I´m pretty sure they don´t do this in high-stakes-poker, right? I think a 3.5x BB raise is standard (since it´s a pot-size raise).

So, my question is... WHY?? Why is 10xBB raise standard... and how can it be right/good?

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So, my question is... WHY?? Why is 10xBB raise standard... and how can it be right/good?

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People are willing to call that size raise from time to time with weak hands. If you hold the better hand (however you might want to define it) and they are willing to call a 15x raise why wouldn't you want to put in the big raise?

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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I wouldn't quite say 10xBB is standard, but it is not uncommon after some limpers. This is mostly true in 1-2NL. The higher you go, the closer you get to 3-4xBB standard opening raises. Even at 2-5NL, $20 is a common opening raise.

Try raising to $6 in a 1-2NL live game, and see what happens. You'll get just as many callers as if you limped, maybe more. From what I've seen, I'd say the standard open in 1-2NL is $12 to $15.

Now, as for my theory behind it, I think it stems from the fact that online money is "fake money." It's just points on your account. Online players tend to think of a raise in "units," rather than actual dollar amounts. In a casino, people see a raise to 6 or 7 dollars as no big deal, cuz "it's only 6 bucks." I do it, too. I'll call a raise to $7 with pretty much any hand I'll limp with, but not a raise to $12.

Another important point is that, since people are more likely to pay you off live than online (in general), your implied odds go way up. You can guarantee that someone will be willing to fight for a pot that was raised a little, rather than limped.

I'll quit before I start rambling (too late?), but you get the idea.

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from my experinces in live games at local casinos, odds are rarely taken into consideration

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from my experinces in live games at local casinos, odds are rarely taken into consideration

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That's true. I guess I was talking mostly about me, not the rest of the players, so that makes my point irrelevant.

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from my experinces in live games at local casinos, odds are rarely taken into consideration

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Yes and no.

As reecelights pointed out to me on our last trip to AC: "fish have an inherent understanding of implied odds - i.e. "I'm going to play my 42o because if I hit the flop, I can stack this guy."

They do not take odds into consideration when they instacall off their whole stack with a flush draw with one card to come, getting only 1.5 to 1.

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So, my question is... WHY?? Why is 10xBB raise standard... and how can it be right/good?

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People are willing to call that size raise from time to time with weak hands. If you hold the better hand (however you might want to define it) and they are willing to call a 15x raise why wouldn't you want to put in the big raise?

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Minimize variance. Maximize skill/edges outplaying post-flop. Having enough chips left to maneuver, and letting them have enough chips to allow you to get away from a dominated hand.

Obviously w/ AA you can bump it up as much as possible to get 1 caller. Why force yourself to play short-stack poker by raising a big percentage of your stack? FTOP says this all starts as a battle for the blinds -- betting $20 for a $3 return doesn´t seem like a good investment.

And, like I said, the main problem isn´t with the callers of your big bet, it´s the raiser who bumps it up to 1/4 of your stack, but still giving you pot odds to call. It´s wrong to fold, but now that 1/4 your stack is in, it´ll be a lot harder to get away from. Basically, you´re variance just goes way up now. Isn´t it much better to minimize variance, and maximize the times when you are a huge favorite? Basically, playing smart more, taking less risk?

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You're taking less risk of losing more money, but taking more risk of losing the hand. Raise a 1/2 game to $6 and get 1 caller, and you can expect the rest of the table to call after that. They're only looking at the growing pot, not any sign of strength from your raise. Now you have 7 to the flop and your chances of winning just took a nosedive, but yeah, you're only risking $6...

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You're taking less risk of losing more money, but taking more risk of losing the hand. Raise a 1/2 game to $6 and get 1 caller, and you can expect the rest of the table to call after that. They're only looking at the growing pot, not any sign of strength from your raise. Now you have 7 to the flop and your chances of winning just took a nosedive, but yeah, you're only risking $6...

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Raising to get people to fold is good. Raising more and getting the same # of callers -- increases variance (and the pot size, of course).

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The first time I sat at a 1-2 NLHE table I was making textbook 3x BB raises when everyone else was raising 6x to 10x pre flop and getting just as many callers. It's not the internet or a tourney.

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Follow-Up Question:

How does the 5/10 rule apply here?

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Q: I've heard other posters mentioning the 5/10 rule. What is it?

A: The 5/10 rule is an important no-limit concept that first appeared in Bob Ciaffone's excellent book, "PL & NL Poker." To quote directly from the book:


"When contemplating calling a raise because your position is good, you have a clear call if the raise is less than 5% of your stack, and a clear fold if it is more than 10%. In between those numbers, use your judgement."


It's a good rule for calling a preflop raise with a pocket pair in hopes of hitting a set. The driving force behind the concept is the implied odds in a given situation. If you get your set, but the opponent only has 5BBs after the initial raise, calling to hit the set in the first place is incorrect.

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So, if you have 100BB, then a 10BB call in position is marginal. But what if people at the table only have about 60BB in front of them? Then you shouldn't call more than 6BB, right?

I'm still learning... just trying to think this through. Thanks for all the great feedback!

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The first time I sat at a 1-2 NLHE table I was making textbook 3x BB raises when everyone else was raising 6x to 10x pre flop and getting just as many callers. It's not the internet or a tourney.

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See, that's what I'm talking about. If you get the same # of callers whether you bet 3BB or 6-10BB, then I'd opt for the 3BB. With monster hands (AA, KK), I want everyone but 1 person to fold, so I may just go all-in -- or bet 20BB or something. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] (Yeah, that's probably not good either.. not sure what to do there.)

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A recent example:

I had just bought in for $200 in a $1/$2 NL game. Got dealt AA. UTG raises to $20 ($150 behind). I'm in MP, I think about raising -- but I need to raise to $60, which is about 1/3 of my stack -- pot committing me no matter what the flop is. What do I do? I push. Button calls with QQ ($60). UTG folds. I win $80. I'm happy, but I'd like to actually play the game rather than pre-flop push.

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How does the 5/10 rule apply here?


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The 5/10 rule only applies when you're heads up, however most of the time you'll be seeing 4 way or bigger pots. In this case you'll be making a good call unless everybody in the hand is short. Watch out though if there is one extreme short stack in the hand. His presence might kill your action.

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This was also hard for me to figure out when I sat live for the first time last year and played some lower buy in NLHE. I too was used to online PF raises of around 3-4xs the bb but I would do that live and get 6 callers! Unreal. Took some getting used to. You have to adapt to the table

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As someone pointed out earlier this is really only a factor in low limit live NL. As you move up in levels PF raising becomes much more standard. Playing 1-2NL you really have to get a feel for what kinds of raises PF will drive other players out of the hand and keep you from playing large multiway pots with hands that are easily cracked. On the other hand, it also allows you great odds to speculate with hands that can win huge pots if the board hits well.

Like anything else it just takes experience to get comfortable with.

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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Unless you flop a set. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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This was also hard for me to figure out when I sat live for the first time last year and played some lower buy in NLHE. I too was used to online PF raises of around 3-4xs the bb but I would do that live and get 6 callers! Unreal.

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I know, isn't it amazing? I was up about $100 from 4/8 last night (in under 3 hours) when the table texture changed and I was guaranteed that if I raised preflop, NASCAR, the Russian, and the Iranian were all going to call it. Suddenly you have to flop perfect or bail out, even from the large pot. I ended up leaving up $35 instead. :|

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I´m fairly new to live play -- migrating from the online world after the UIGEA. I like live a lot more -- it´s slower, but more fun and different strategies.

One thing that I´m just realizing is that people open-raise for a LOT more than what is standard online. I´ve seen a few people on here comment that a 10xBB open-raise is pretty standard. WHY?!? This doesn´t make sense to me. How can this be a good strategy?

Normal buy-in is 100BB right? So open-raise for 10% of your stack? And then what if you face a small raise? to 20BB? Or 25BB? You may be getting the right pot-odds to call, but with 1/4 of your stack in pre-flop, you have no wiggle room after the flop to get information or fold.

I can see if you (and everyone else) had 300BB stacks, maybe. But, even then, a 3-4BB raise is standard because you are getting the right price relative to the blinds. 10xBB, probably not.

I´m pretty sure they don´t do this in high-stakes-poker, right? I think a 3.5x BB raise is standard (since it´s a pot-size raise).

So, my question is... WHY?? Why is 10xBB raise standard... and how can it be right/good?

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I haven't seen 10X BB as standard in any of the games I play - from $100 (2/3) to $500 (5/5). The standard these days is about 6XBB on average. You need to raise more than 3X to get rid of a few limpers or else your middle suited connectors and top pairs are going to be worth a lot less, and a hand like AJ or AQ is going to be busted a lot more than you'd like. Try raising 3XBB with AQs and what will you do when you get 7 callers and the flop is 9TJo? Your 8's and K's may already be in play by 1/2 the players and you probably don't want to hit your A and get busted by A9. But if you'd have raised 6X PF and gotten 2 callers you might be in a better position to take a stab at a bet and see if you can take it all down right then if you knew what kind of range to put them on.

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And, like I said, the main problem isn´t with the callers of your big bet, it´s the raiser who bumps it up to 1/4 of your stack, but still giving you pot odds to call. It´s wrong to fold, but now that 1/4 your stack is in, it´ll be a lot harder to get away from. Basically, you´re variance just goes way up now. Isn´t it much better to minimize variance, and maximize the times when you are a huge favorite? Basically, playing smart more, taking less risk?

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Sure, it's better to do that but you aren't in control. You do have opponents that you have to take into account and make your decisions based on those factors. Are you always going to fold decent hands because you aren't getting exactly the right odds? When you have a capped buy game you have to play with the stack you have and adjust your style of play to suit that because many of the players you will be up against aren't playing optimal style poker to begin with.

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You're taking less risk of losing more money, but taking more risk of losing the hand. Raise a 1/2 game to $6 and get 1 caller, and you can expect the rest of the table to call after that. They're only looking at the growing pot, not any sign of strength from your raise. Now you have 7 to the flop and your chances of winning just took a nosedive, but yeah, you're only risking $6...

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Raising to get people to fold is good. Raising more and getting the same # of callers -- increases variance (and the pot size, of course).

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You won't get more if you raise more. Raise 6X BB in most places and you'll thin the table quite a bit. If that isn't happening then adjust or switch tables. Maybe you just stumbled onto a table with 7 LAGs? [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Its even funnier to see these raises in bigger games. I was in a 5/10 NL game where a player would standard open-raise with a black chip. If there was action in front, might be two black chips.

After he got caught failing to say raise (oversized chip call rule), he started open raising to $105. That amused me for some reason.

*I had the good fortune to start the game on his immediate left and made a substantial profit by out-aggressing him all night.

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A recent example:

I had just bought in for $200 in a $1/$2 NL game. Got dealt AA. UTG raises to $20 ($150 behind). I'm in MP, I think about raising -- but I need to raise to $60, which is about 1/3 of my stack -- pot committing me no matter what the flop is. What do I do? I push. Button calls with QQ ($60). UTG folds. I win $80. I'm happy, but I'd like to actually play the game rather than pre-flop push.

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You are playing the game. In a capped buy game these are the kinds of decisions you have to make. You got your money in with the best hand and got called by an under pair which is the best you could hope for plus you got UTG's raise too. What's wrong with that? Now your chip stack has grown so you can adjust more but you're still dependent on the other player's limited stack sizes.

Also, I'm not sure why you think that betting 1/3 of your stack is being pot committed no matter what the flop is? There are coordinated flops that you can fold AA to, especially if there are more than 2 players in the hand.

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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Unless you flop a set. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Sure. Flop is A98 with 6 players. Are you ahead or behind?

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Its even funnier to see these raises in bigger games. I was in a 5/10 NL game where a player would standard open-raise with a black chip. If there was action in front, might be two black chips.

After he got caught failing to say raise (oversized chip call rule), he started open raising to $105. That amused me for some reason.

*I had the good fortune to start the game on his immediate left and made a substantial profit by out-aggressing him all night.

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I'm assuming that by "black chip" you mean a $100. Here in LA that's a white/pink chip.

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Its even funnier to see these raises in bigger games. I was in a 5/10 NL game where a player would standard open-raise with a black chip. If there was action in front, might be two black chips.

After he got caught failing to say raise (oversized chip call rule), he started open raising to $105. That amused me for some reason.

*I had the good fortune to start the game on his immediate left and made a substantial profit by out-aggressing him all night.

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I'm assuming that by "black chip" you mean a $100. Here in LA that's a white/pink chip.

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err..yes. Sorry wasn't trying to be misleading.

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Its even funnier to see these raises in bigger games. I was in a 5/10 NL game where a player would standard open-raise with a black chip. If there was action in front, might be two black chips.

After he got caught failing to say raise (oversized chip call rule), he started open raising to $105. That amused me for some reason.

*I had the good fortune to start the game on his immediate left and made a substantial profit by out-aggressing him all night.

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I'm assuming that by "black chip" you mean a $100. Here in LA that's a white/pink chip.

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err..yes. Sorry wasn't trying to be misleading.

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NP. It's just that out west here we aren't using the same colors so a lot of posts require color translating. LOL.

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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Unless you flop a set. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Sure. Flop is A98 with 6 players. Are you ahead or behind?

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Far ahead. Unless all 3 are the same suit, and someone flopped the nut flush. Then you're a 2:1 underdog.

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Also, I'm not sure why you think that betting 1/3 of your stack is being pot committed no matter what the flop is? There are coordinated flops that you can fold AA to, especially if there are more than 2 players in the hand.

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Well, with 1 caller, having bet 1/3 of my chips, my stack is the same as the pot. If they go all-in, I'm getting 2:1 odds. Unless it's a really scary board, or I have a good read on the person, it will be hard to get away from.

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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Sure. Flop is A98 with 6 players. Are you ahead or behind?

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Far ahead. Unless all 3 are the same suit, and someone flopped the nut flush. Then you're a 2:1 underdog.

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Exactly. That's the point I was making. With a 6 way pot you never really know.

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Also, I'm not sure why you think that betting 1/3 of your stack is being pot committed no matter what the flop is? There are coordinated flops that you can fold AA to, especially if there are more than 2 players in the hand.

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Well, with 1 caller, having bet 1/3 of my chips, my stack is the same as the pot. If they go all-in, I'm getting 2:1 odds. Unless it's a really scary board, or I have a good read on the person, it will be hard to get away from.

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And this is why just playing the odds in a live, capped game may not be the best strategy all the time. We are having this same discussion in another thread here about 2+2 strategy forums and the different types of advice for online vs live. There may be no reason to call a post flop push on a coordinated board even at 2:1 because you may very well already be a less than 2:1 dog.

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Also, I'm not sure why you think that betting 1/3 of your stack is being pot committed no matter what the flop is? There are coordinated flops that you can fold AA to, especially if there are more than 2 players in the hand.

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Well, with 1 caller, having bet 1/3 of my chips, my stack is the same as the pot. If they go all-in, I'm getting 2:1 odds. Unless it's a really scary board, or I have a good read on the person, it will be hard to get away from.

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And this is why just playing the odds in a live, capped game may not be the best strategy all the time. We are having this same discussion in another thread here about 2+2 strategy forums and the different types of advice for online vs live. There may be no reason to call a post flop push on a coordinated board even at 2:1 because you may very well already be a less than 2:1 dog.

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I agree it's not impossible to get away from. But it's a LOT harder. The reason is that you don't have room to bet for information. You can't bet a decent continuation or even a feeler bet without REALLY pot-committing yourself.

So, if I raise the guy to $60 (1/3 my stack), he calls. I have $120 left, he has $120; pot is $120. If I now bet out 1/3 the pot (feeler/trap bet), that leaves me with $80. If he moves in, the pot is now $280, and I have $80 left. I'm getting 3.5:1 to call. Unless that flop was way scary, I have to call.

If I bet a half decent, 1/2 pot continuation bet of $60, and he moves all in, then the pot is $300 & I have $60 left. 5:1, begrudgingly insta-call.

I totally agree that you don't want to push small edges live -- because you can't play as many hands, you need to maximize your returns on the hands you do play. It seems to me that betting a big portion of your stack pre-flop minimizes the ability to trap opponents, and out-play them after the flop. You price them & yourself in, so you are maximizing the luck-factor.

Just my thoughts right now... I'm still learning.

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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Sure. Flop is A98 with 6 players. Are you ahead or behind?

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Far ahead. Unless all 3 are the same suit, and someone flopped the nut flush. Then you're a 2:1 underdog.

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Exactly. That's the point I was making. With a 6 way pot you never really know.

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If you have to KNOW you have the best hand in order to get chips in the pot, you're already far behind.

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And this is why just playing the odds in a live, capped game may not be the best strategy all the time. We are having this same discussion in another thread here about 2+2 strategy forums and the different types of advice for online vs live. There may be no reason to call a post flop push on a coordinated board even at 2:1 because you may very well already be a less than 2:1 dog.

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I agree it's not impossible to get away from. But it's a LOT harder. The reason is that you don't have room to bet for information. You can't bet a decent continuation or even a feeler bet without REALLY pot-committing yourself.

So, if I raise the guy to $60 (1/3 my stack), he calls. I have $120 left, he has $120; pot is $120. If I now bet out 1/3 the pot (feeler/trap bet), that leaves me with $80. If he moves in, the pot is now $280, and I have $80 left. I'm getting 3.5:1 to call. Unless that flop was way scary, I have to call.

If I bet a half decent, 1/2 pot continuation bet of $60, and he moves all in, then the pot is $300 & I have $60 left. 5:1, begrudgingly insta-call.

I totally agree that you don't want to push small edges live -- because you can't play as many hands, you need to maximize your returns on the hands you do play. It seems to me that betting a big portion of your stack pre-flop minimizes the ability to trap opponents, and out-play them after the flop. You price them & yourself in, so you are maximizing the luck-factor.

Just my thoughts right now... I'm still learning.

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I think live, much more so than online, you need to be keenly aware of stack sizes at all times. This is because there is generally a much wider range of stack sizes live. Online, your bets are standard size (1/2 pot c-bets, or whatever). But live, you need to bet according to stack size more often.

If you find yourself calling with 5:1 odds when you know you're behind, it's because you didn't bet properly. It's something I've been working on a lot lately. Bet so that you don't have to make these tough decisions. Either small enough so you can easily fold, or large enough so you can easily call.

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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Unless you flop a set. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Sure. Flop is A98 with 6 players. Are you ahead or behind?

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Assuming no flushes, how can you not be ahead?

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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Sure. Flop is A98 with 6 players. Are you ahead or behind?

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Assuming no flushes, how can you not be ahead?

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And why would you assume no flushes?

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You just don't want to see a 6-way flop with AA.

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Unless you flop a set. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Sure. Flop is A98 with 6 players. Are you ahead or behind?

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Assuming no flushes, how can you not be ahead?

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And why would you assume no flushes?

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Because you didn't specify suits or give a qualifier such as "monotone flop" or "2-flush on the board."

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pokenum -h ac as - jd td - 7h 6h - 8h 8c - 9d 9c -- ah 9h 8d
Holdem Hi: 741 enumerated boards containing 8d Ah 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 196 26.45 545 73.55 0 0.00 0.265
Jd Td 156 21.05 585 78.95 0 0.00 0.211
7h 6h 288 38.87 453 61.13 0 0.00 0.389
8c 8h 64 8.64 677 91.36 0 0.00 0.086
9c 9d 37 4.99 704 95.01 0 0.00 0.050

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pokenum -h ac as - jd td - 7h 6h - 8h 8c - 9d 9c -- ah 9h 8d
Holdem Hi: 741 enumerated boards containing 8d Ah 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 196 26.45 545 73.55 0 0.00 0.265
Jd Td 156 21.05 585 78.95 0 0.00 0.211
7h 6h 288 38.87 453 61.13 0 0.00 0.389
8c 8h 64 8.64 677 91.36 0 0.00 0.086
9c 9d 37 4.99 704 95.01 0 0.00 0.050

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Nevermind.