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whoa....

link in case you didnt see it yet.

I guess this gives Ryan a bit more time to work on the skins, a positive side effect.

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LOL.

Did you guys seriously not do any load testing?

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Did you guys seriously not do any load testing?

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How can they do load testing without a heavy load?

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OMG, THIS IS LIKE REGULAR COKE AFTER NEW COKE!!

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And I got to read my pm that was lost during the upgrade.

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I would assume there's ways to simulate it, I'm not an expert here. Nor, apparently, is anybody else.

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All PMs during this time were lost as well.

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[censored].

I just gained back 3 lbs I had lost.

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Well, this was quite a surprise. Hopefully you guys can get back online w/ the new software ASAP.

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TT,

"How can they do load testing without a heavy load?"

Seriously, man, stick to threads about publishing.

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This sidebar is like 10x better. The forums stick out, and the links changing colors after you visit is great.

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BTW-

For the new software- don't waste any time with the bolding unread posts thing. I think you're more than correct in expecting people to deal with that.

A few things to do differently next time, if possible:

- better conversion of PM database. There's no reason whatsoever the deleted PMs should transfer.

- attempt to maintain the links to the archive server so that we can reference older posts with ease.

- correct the white space and search issues

- put together some documentation or something that will help the mods and users use the new software. Maybe a "know issues" sticky as well.

- don't deploy the update in such a fashion that Chuck is sleeping when it's first getting hit by new users.

I liked the new software a lot, and hope we can get this to work.

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White space. It seems that there is about the same amount of space between text lines on this software as on the upgrade. Are they different fonts. It is much easier to read here. Also there is no space between posts in a thread here, which i think looks better.

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This sidebar is like 10x better. The forums stick out, and the links changing colors after you visit is great.

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I liked the new sidebar, but I think another good change might be some larger font sizes.

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TT,

"How can they do load testing without a heavy load?"

Seriously, man, stick to threads about publishing.

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] - your a network wiz, is there a way to do load testing of that level? [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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Nick-

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With what you saw on the other forum, it's a lot smaller because of the spacing. The same problem doesn't actually exist within the posts.

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White space. It seems that there is about the same amount of space between text lines on this software as on the upgrade. Are they different fonts. It is much easier to read here. Also there is no space between posts in a thread here, which i think looks better.

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<ul type="square">[*]There's no "back to top" link[*]The title field is to the right of the user name instead of on top[*]There is less spacing between the lines[*]The title bar and icons on the bottom take up more space here[/list]

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also i'd love to see black names (diablo, [censored] etc. change colors within the style sheets b/c they are impossible to read with ubbthreads-dark)

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I was taking another look at the archive server, which is still running the new software, and this one to get a better sense of where the white space issues are coming from.

Here are some things I noticed:

1. As I saw noted in one of the ATF threads that's now in limbo, a lot of the issue is that the text of a post starts right up against the title bar across the top. You could increase that space a little bit and it'd look better.

2. The reply, quote, QR, and new QQ buttons are no longer in the title bar, but are now down in the same space w/ the notify mod button. This isn't an issue, but what's creating excessive white space is that all of these buttons are forced to appear BELOW the user's loc field. On the current set up, the notify, print, and remind buttons can appear anywhere above the location field provided they leave room for the text. If we could make it somehow like this, that would fix the bulk of the white space problem.

One last thing that I didn't see mentioned is that we should just turn off the thread ratings. Seeing all the 3 star and 5 star threads is kinda dumb. That shouldn't take hardly any time or effort, no?

Is it possible to scan through user's PMs and delete ones that are identical? That'd at least help us mods who got 5 PMs per ban we've dished out. I agree that making sure that the deleted PMs stay deleted is something that should happen before we re-upgrade.

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- don't deploy the update in such a fashion that Chuck is sleeping when it's first getting hit by new users.

I liked the new software a lot, and hope we can get this to work.

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Hey, I was up a long time doing nothing but deploying the new software on Saturday. I resemble that remark.

The issue is database and search functionality. Until we have a good solution for that we're not moving back to the new software.

Any ideas on load testing ahead of time would be most welcome. We tried to get some of that on the archive servers, but obviously the archives don't take the kind of traffic that the main site does and they are not update intensive for some reason. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Ideas are always welcome.

Chuck

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I was wrong about the white space, I looked at Dids and ElDs posts and saw the white space and didn't realize that they both entered a blank line between text manually.

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- better conversion of PM database. There's no reason whatsoever the deleted PMs should transfer.

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I didn't see any deleted PMs on the transfer, but what I did see were all my sent messages. I am guessing that messages that were sent and not deleted by the other parter were showing. PMs I deleted might have been there some palce as the performance was such that I wasn't really able to go through all of them.

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This sidebar is like 10x better. The forums stick out, and the links changing colors after you visit is great.

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I liked the new sidebar, but I think another good change might be some larger font sizes.

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I made a post seconds before the rollback explaining how I think Ryan can fix the font sizes. Its a CSS Style Sheet coding issue, the developers used fixed font sizes in the code rather than relational font sizes using the em tag. An em is a unit of measurement in the field of typography, equal to the pt size of the current font. This unit is not defined in terms of any specific typeface, and thus is the same for all fonts at a given point size. So, 1 em in a 16 pt typeface is 16 points (copied from Wikipedia). The same unit of measurement can be used for linespace. for example if the font size for Tahoma,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica is 1em, you can make the line 1.5em - making the space in between each line of a paragraph 1.5x the current font in width. Luckily its mostly find/replace and test. It shouldn't take long at all.

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Well I loved the new software and I really hope it can be fixed soon so we can do a permanent upgrade.

Also, crappy that I lost a nice BBV thread/brag about pwning limit holdem recently.

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- don't deploy the update in such a fashion that Chuck is sleeping when it's first getting hit by new users.

I liked the new software a lot, and hope we can get this to work.

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Hey, I was up a long time doing nothing but deploying the new software on Saturday. I resemble that remark.



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I only reference that because once we found a few bugs (around midnight) Ryan mentioned you were likely asleep. I don't blame you, I'm just not sure it's ideal.

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chuck,

are we going to have the ability to search pms in the new software?

i just realized this for the first time post migration. i'd love to be able to search for read receipts and do a select-all-delete on them [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Idea for search stress testing: scavenger hunt game.

1. Come up with something for people to find. Say, a pic of Mat's gf, or a cupon code for $1 off a 2+2 book or whatever.
2. Cut the object into a whole lot of pieces.
3. Talk to Stuey. He's good at coming up with clever clues for people to find things.
4. Edit old posts on the archive server to now include the pieces of the thing in step 1. The more pieces, the more stress testing, but the more clever Stuey has to be.
5. Post about this in OOT, BBV4Life, ATF, and wherever else you feel like it.
6. ...
7. Profit!

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On this software, it looks like the one line posts are centered vertically, where on the new software they are put at the top.

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For the new software- don't waste any time with the bolding unread posts thing.

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Why? That was one of the big complaints people had.

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my vote is to dump ubb

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Why? That was one of the big complaints people had.

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If bolding can be included in the CSS Style sheet for each skin then it shouldn't be hard to change. If not, I agree with Dids that people will get used to it over time - we should focus our efforts on other fixes.

Ryan - if you need a hand with the style sheet coding, let me know.

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my vote is to dump ubb

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And replace it with what? I haven't seen a better solution so far from the POV of the end user. Its a simple interface, we are all used to it. I am all for dumping UBB, but we need a better solution first no?

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The poster who started the thread should not be in the same box as the subject.

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Why? That was one of the big complaints people had.

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Because I think that's a really silly complaint. It's very easy to use the red numbers to figure this out, and people just have to get used to this. It's silly to keep hacking the software to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

I also agree with Matt about UBB.

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TT,

There's a whole category of business software called "load and performance testing applications." Guess what that software is used for?

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Dids, there are no red numbers next to new threads.

Not having the link colors change makes it really hard to read anything. Subjects, forums, posters, none change colors after I visit them.

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from what i'm hearing from chuck, the ubb software simply can't handle the traffic and ubb support isn't helping him.

i don't think we have a choice. this was not any fancy site upgrade. it was just a switch to the latest ubb software. obviously it's unacceptable.

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from what i'm hearing from chuck, the ubb software simply can't handle the traffic and ubb support isn't helping him.

i don't think we have a choice. this was not any fancy site upgrade. it was just a switch to the latest ubb software. obviously it's unacceptable.

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it looks like ubbthreads v7.1 has only been released as of 2/20/07. anyone who works in software development knows that brand new software on this scale doesn't work for at least 6 months and more often a year after initial release. see the windows vista flop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Dids, there are no red numbers next to new threads.

Not having the link colors change makes it really hard to read anything. Subjects, forums, posters, none change colors after I visit them.

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I assume it was like "new thread (27)" so if you saw that the number of posts was equal to the number of new posts you new you hadn't read it.

I do think that visited links should have a different color, and while my html knowledge stops short of CSS, I think that's an easy CSS fix.

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does this mean you think we should stay with ubb?