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MasterLJ 04-05-2007 11:09 AM

Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
Can we write-off things like gas to casino, computer equipment, etc... if you are not filing as a pro?

I'm a little ticked that my modest 2006 winnings have swayed my tax liability from +600 to -1000. I haven't written off any of my purchases (2 monitors, gas to casinos) which could save me a few hundred.

If it is possible, are they miscellaineous deductions?

Thanks in advance.

Lost Wages 04-05-2007 11:14 AM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
Under no circumstances can you deduct expenses as a non-pro. Sorry.

Lost Wages

MasterLJ 04-05-2007 11:16 AM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
Thanks for the quick reply.

Poker CPA 04-05-2007 12:59 PM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
Lost Wages:

Can you give the source of that in the IRS rules and regulations. It would be helpful to MasterJ.

plasphemy 04-05-2007 01:15 PM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
Well, I read in RBS Tax Services' "The Tax Guide for Gamblers" that a gambler was successful deducting expenses on Schedule A under IRS code Section 212, "Expenses for the Production of Income." (Rowles TC Memo 1986-30).

Apparently he had to go all the way to tax court to get it though.

Have you tried filing as a pro and depreciating your monitors? Filing as a pro allows you to keep your standard deduction and is sometimes cheaper.

You can't deduct a "commute" to your local casino though, you can only deduct trips to out of town casinos.

Poker CPA 04-05-2007 01:41 PM

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Excellent work "plasphemy". Congrats

Do we have a debate "Lost Wages"? I'm sure the OP would like the source to your tax conclusion. I smell amended return baby. Cash on the sidewalk.

BigBiceps 04-06-2007 01:55 PM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
I smell the IRS trying to get you to file on schedule C and requesting additional self-employment tax for SSN and MediCare if you deduct this stuff on the schedule A.

If they notice.

Poker CPA 04-06-2007 04:54 PM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
I smell defined benefit

MegaDisgruntled 04-06-2007 06:58 PM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
If you file as a "hobby," the only thing you can deduct is losses. Under no circumstances should you just "net" winnings.

Mega

depokerstar 04-06-2007 07:27 PM

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Not worth the potential headaches and risk for $1600...IMO anyways

Poker CPA 04-09-2007 04:56 PM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
Source MEGA? Please.

MasterLJ 04-09-2007 05:06 PM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
[ QUOTE ]
If you file as a "hobby," the only thing you can deduct is losses. Under no circumstances should you just "net" winnings.

Mega

[/ QUOTE ]

That's not true at all. You can absolutely deduct things like Home Mortgage Interest no matter what your profession is. Did you just mean that you may only deduct your losses in terms of gambling-related expenses?

I don't think anyone is talking about netting winnings either. I'm getting royally fisted because my income was inflated by about $25k due to properly reporting winnings. I think if I was a bit more careful with the term "session," I might see a savings (might not also), since currently I used PokerTracker and sorted by day.

MegaDisgruntled 04-09-2007 07:47 PM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
yeah, referring to gambling related expenses only.

Mega

Poker CPA 04-09-2007 09:03 PM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
Mega:

Can you give the source of that in the IRS rules and regulations. It would be helpful to MasterJ.

MasterLJ 04-10-2007 12:28 AM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
Which part?

Poker CPA 04-10-2007 07:55 AM

Re: Poker related write-offs for non-pros
 
gambling related expenses


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