most important decisions are made on what street?
 

sorry for the random questions all the time, but they pop into my mind so i just write em down on paper then post a few of em. What spots do the best players make the best decisions? I know the answer would be on every street, but at what point are the "key" decisions made in the hand? Flop i imagine hand selection is key, and on the flop assessing on how or wether the hand is worth continuing with, but are these the most important spots? I find that when i get to the river if i have to make a big decision i prob made bad ones on the way there, so i am prob fuked anyways.

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flop

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The street in front of the casino. There you can choose to not enter.

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In limit I'd go w/ on the flop as the answer but from your remark about making a big decision on the river I'm guessing you're talking about NL which I don't play. However (mostly because I want to generate a discussion and learn something), I'm going to toss out a guess and say that in NL the biggest decision should be on the turn.

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Id say the flop is in NL. Post flop play is something alot of weak players dont pay attention to, and the decision you make on the flop will lead to the decisions you face on later streets. Flop bets and raises start building the pot, and can usually lead to a neccessary commitment by the turn and the river.

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For NLHE...

It really depends on the stack sizes. With short stacks, only preflop matters. As stacks get deeper, future rounds become more important.

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would you consider 100bb stacks short stacks? sometimes feels ;like it.

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Hardest decisions are at the end of Lonely Street.

I will address deepstack NL. I think preflop is probably the easist street followed by the flop (although the flop decision is much more important than preflop).

I figure the most difficult street is the turn. The bets and raises are generally much larger on this street than the flop so a bad decision can be very costly. As well, you are in a pot with a player(s) who were happy to continue with their hand past the flop so you have a lot to think about. This is the street where you really need to figure out where you are.

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turn

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[/ QUOTE ]In limit, definitely the turn.

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Limit: pre-flop

No-limit: Flop

Pot-limit: Turn

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[/ QUOTE ]In limit, definitely the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]S/b preflop, but I had confused "important" with "difficult" - in limit you very rarely have a *difficult* preflop decision, but they are of course important.

Re: most important decisions are made on what street?
 

For NL, I'm going to go with the turn. The flop is often a fit or fold situation when faced with a bet, or a c-bet situation when you are the PFR.

But, so many people will call your c-bet with nothing (or the nuts) or make a c-bet with nothing (or the nuts). Then you have to decide what to do on the turn. Like the other poster said, the bets are often much higher. If you call or make a sizable turn bet or raise, you have pretty much decided your status in the hand. Often, this is where you have to put your opponent on a hand as well. Do you bet strong with top pair because he has a draw, or a little less because he has a weak kicker or second pair?

As for the river, if you have defined his hand, you know what cards you don't want to see, and act accordingly. If you are drawing, you see if your draw hits, and act accordingly.

Of course, these are generalizations, but you get the idea. For reference, I'm speaking from a perspective of $50NL & $100NL online, and 1-2NL & some 2-5NL live. At higher limits, I think there is an increase in difficult flop decisions, but I'd still say the turn is toughest.

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i'd probably say the flop, because on the flop you usually make some decision about how you are going to play the hand on the later streets, for example, you might call a flop, intending to fold to a strong bet on the turn. or you might c/c the flop with the intention of c/r the turn and pushing the river. the Turn and river should therfore often be sorted before you get there.

note: preflop is the most important for tournaments, and the least important for cash games