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BobboFitos 04-03-2007 05:57 AM

king w/o crown
 
a few preflop questions. since ppl 3bet alot. here they are: (From today)

This villain is a tag, but he opens looser from co and btn, obviously. We have some history but nothing extensive. He's a slight winner. I feel like I could call push or fold. What would you do? In my experience oftentimes these type of small 4bets are nuts or air, bc anything larger is so committal and presents a push fold. here this is close to push fold but call is somewhat of an alluring option too.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($394)
SB ($682.60)
Hero ($478.65)
UTG ($248)
MP ($241.80)
CO ($405)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $64</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $135</font>, Hero ? (71 to call)

This villain is a big fish. However, his minraise was instant. I dont always notice them, but when I do, I 4bet. Normally I'd call the min 3bet, esp vs someone as bad as him, but now when he minreraises me again, clearly he has a big hand, and pushing is super silly. so now its call or fold. What should I do?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($624.35)
MP ($844.60)
Hero ($529.20)
Button ($50)
SB ($619.25)
BB ($429)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $28</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $132</font> Hero ? (52 to call)

Big_Jim 04-03-2007 06:06 AM

Re: king w/o crown
 
Hand 1: All options are fairly viable here.
Fold is default, of course.

If you think it's nuts or air, push&gt;call, so he doesn't have a chance to outflop you with air. If you think hands like AK/AQ are semi-likely, and might call a push, then a stop and go is pretty sexy.

Hand 2: Clear fold. You just don't have odds to catch up.

FionnMac 04-03-2007 06:18 AM

Re: king w/o crown
 
Why raise so much pre in hand 1? $52 or $56 are my default here, $64 seems a little ott. Sorry to be picky, heh.

Big_Jim 04-03-2007 06:30 AM

Re: king w/o crown
 
Also, the thread title is lost on me, here.

fslexcduck 04-03-2007 06:32 AM

Re: king w/o crown
 
[ QUOTE ]
Also, the thread title is lost on me, here.

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JESUS

Clayton 04-03-2007 06:52 AM

Re: king w/o crown
 
matisyahu doesnt believe in jesus, therefore you are BLASPHEMUS

jlocdog 04-04-2007 02:17 PM

Re: king w/o crown
 
Hand 1: I am inclined to call here. 3-1 on a suited ace where you are not convinced he has a monster makes me want to play postflop. Though my decision between calling and shoving would be directly coorallated with how I view hiw flop play (will he feel committed to this pot regardless of the flop/will he embrace scare cards or brace up/ect...)

Hand 2: Fold. 5bet preflop is AA/KK 98% of time and your hand dont jive well against those holdings.

SpeakEasy 04-04-2007 02:26 PM

Re: king w/o crown
 
Fold (based on descripion of villain) and fold (because your hand sucks against his range).

Eh, in the first hand, maybe I call and see a flop...

Gary Stevenson 04-04-2007 02:51 PM

Re: king w/o crown
 
[ QUOTE ]
matisyahu doesnt believe in jesus, therefore you are BLASPHEMUS

[/ QUOTE ]
beat me 2 it

Big_Jim 04-04-2007 04:57 PM

Re: king w/o crown
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Also, the thread title is lost on me, here.

[/ QUOTE ]

JESUS

[/ QUOTE ]
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...us-Posters.jpg

I still have no idea what this has to do with the OP.

BobboFitos 04-04-2007 07:16 PM

Re: king w/o crown
 
i called both.

flop was like 2 3 7r on hand 1, i checked he bet 87. either real cheap cbet bluff or a hand which i had like tops 10% equity against. i folded but considered c/r bluff. but any overpair which puts in that bet pf calls so it would've been stupid. afterward and why i posted it i considered other options preflop maybe.

hand 2 flop came T x x, he open shoved for x2pot and i folded. he showed AKo. better question is if i flop a pair do i call the all in? i probably wouldve, but felt dirty about it.


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