Why Do You Play Micro Limits?
 

The advice I see here in the uNL forum seems to be great. I'm learning how to put people on hands and getting lots of good pointers from the posts here. You guys for most part seem extremely knowledgeable. This leaves me to wonder, with all your knowledge and experience, why would you guys bother grinding for pennies instead of playing for real $$$$$$? Do you all have specific reasons?

Maybe I'm just naive.

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Bankroll management is the primary reason people play here. Also the play really does get more complicated at higher limits.

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Skill and bankroll. I played NL10 until I felt I was cruching it and had the bankroll for NL25. Now I am taking shots at NL25 and drop down whenever I feel I am not playing well or just get a bite from mother variance.

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Bankroll and skill requirements. As you move up, the game changes a LOT, and it takes some getting used to.

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Will be beating up NL100 soon once I hit a couple o' grand with change to withdraw [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

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The advice I see here in the uNL forum seems to be great. I'm learning how to put people on hands and getting lots of good pointers from the posts here. You guys for most part seem extremely knowledgeable. This leaves me to wonder, with all your knowledge and experience, why would you guys bother grinding for pennies instead of playing for real $$$$$$? Do you all have specific reasons?

Maybe I'm just naive.

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u can make significant amounts of monies playin 50nl so i think u might b a bit naive. good people can make grips of money (prolly more then alot of people with degrees) while playin 50nl. there is nothing wrong with it

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Well there are hurdless .... the biggest one of these being handreading and combating aggression, especially the latter.


And on a side note, 8 tabling 50NL is still an hourly rate of 50$, which is more than most jobs pay

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Because I will kill myself if I lose 10k+ by a downswing.

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Because instead of spewing $$ I made playing tourneys, I'm starting at uNL.

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Not trying to hijack thread, but I find it amazing that people can play lots of NL tables. It totally screws up my game. I could probably play 2, but I wouldn't enjoy it much. I can play 4 tables of shorthand limit pretty comfortably. I'm wondering what the highest NL stakes you can get away with multitabling at is. I mean, do people 8-table NL 400? Arn't your reads just going to go down the tube?

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Not trying to hijack thread, but I find it amazing that people can play lots of NL tables. It totally screws up my game. I could probably play 2, but I wouldn't enjoy it much. I can play 4 tables of shorthand limit pretty comfortably. I'm wondering what the highest NL stakes you can get away with multitabling at is. I mean, do people 8-table NL 400? Arn't your reads just going to go down the tube?

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play 100k hands and report back [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I run so bad

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Not trying to hijack thread, but I find it amazing that people can play lots of NL tables. It totally screws up my game. I could probably play 2, but I wouldn't enjoy it much. I can play 4 tables of shorthand limit pretty comfortably. I'm wondering what the highest NL stakes you can get away with multitabling at is. I mean, do people 8-table NL 400? Arn't your reads just going to go down the tube?

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People 8 table 2000NL ... it is a habit more than anything, you start of with one table, then add another and before you know it, you are 4 tabling ... and it goes on.

Amazingly enough, you are still reading fairly well with 8 tables. You just quickly put people into boxes and then concentrate on the players you find as being good.

But then again I'm an ex sng donk, some of us (not me) 20-40 table. Seriously ... no kidding.

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I'm actually way, way better the more tables I play. I remember more, I am forced to concentrate. If it's anything less than 6 tables I'm on 2p2.

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1) I am a hobby player, not making a living off of poker so the limits don't matter so much
2) Comfort level - the downswings at higher limits make me want to throw things, which really detracts from the enjoyment of poker as a hobby
3) Skill level needs boosting

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I run negative good as well. >_<

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I used to have trouble playing one table [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Then I was OK with one, but two gave me trouble.

Now I can play two, but 3 gives me trouble.

I only play 10-12 hours a week, so it just doesn't add up to that many hands. Progress is slow and steady.

I just play for fun, so I'm fine with that. I have a real job. I'm happy to share whatever I've figured out or learned about this game.

Maybe next year I'll be playing 200NL. Whatever. As long as I'm playing good, I don't care.

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Why? Because I can afford it to lose say $400, $800 is too much for me to lose though.

I cashed out a bit, and bought some new computer parts/lcd tv/vacation. But will probably be back at 100nl at the end of this month. 100nl isn't twice as profitable as 50nl though, people seem to be better at 100nl, and I like playing at 50nl more because of the fact that I find losing at 100nl to be more stressful then losing at 50nl.

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bankroll and tilt issues

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this, plus for me it's my only income ATM and I'm not playing enough to make any surplus bankroll after paying my monthly bills. I plan on changing that this month. Poker gets me in a very tense physical and mental state, which makes it pretty hard for me to make myself sit down and play for hours at a time. I need to play higher stakes so I can play fewer hours per day, but I'm never gonna get there unless I play a ton of hours to build a roll.

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I haven't proven to myself that I can whup 50NL yet. Not good enough for 100NL yet.

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People 8 table 2000NL

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BoostedJ plays 8+ HU 25/50 tables and posts in the forums at the same time. Some people are just machines like that.

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I intend to play higher as soon as my bankroll lets me. I started with $100 playing 10NL and now play 50NL, and I believe most uNL players are in similar spots; it's just a matter of building up your bankroll and wading through the variance.

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Paying bills drains my bank roll, and 50nl is much more forgiving to massive tilt session.

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Ok, so there are a few general themes:

1. Bankroll limitations, whether it's what you can afford or amount of money willing to risk at one time.

2. Games get more competitive at the higher limits (sharks vs sharks) to make it either not as profitable and/or more stressful at the higher limits.

3. Skill/confidence reguired for the higher levels.

It seems like concensus that 50NL is the sweet spot as far as making a really good if not lucrative living at poker for the "average" Internet pro. I've always found it interesting that peoople who dissects hands and make thousands of posts on this forum are still at that level. Now I have a better understanding. Your reasons are all interesting.

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SC Bielski, what was your starting BR at 10NL and how long did it take you to move past that (expressed in length or number of hands)?

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And on a side note, 8 tabling 50NL is still an hourly rate of 50$, which is more than most jobs pay

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What is your earn rate in PTBB to be making $50 an hour at 50NL even 8 tabling. It's gotta be almost 10 doesn't it?

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I played up to 10/20 limit (usually spread as much 8/16 as I could find and filled in with 5/10 and 10/20, depending on games) but have switched to NL. I'm learning the game, so I'm at 50NL.

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Not trying to hijack thread, but I find it amazing that people can play lots of NL tables. It totally screws up my game. I could probably play 2, but I wouldn't enjoy it much. I can play 4 tables of shorthand limit pretty comfortably. I'm wondering what the highest NL stakes you can get away with multitabling at is. I mean, do people 8-table NL 400? Arn't your reads just going to go down the tube?

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People 8 table 2000NL ... it is a habit more than anything, you start of with one table, then add another and before you know it, you are 4 tabling ... and it goes on.

Amazingly enough, you are still reading fairly well with 8 tables. You just quickly put people into boxes and then concentrate on the players you find as being good.

But then again I'm an ex sng donk, some of us (not me) 20-40 table. Seriously ... no kidding.

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spacegravity holla

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And on a side note, 8 tabling 50NL is still an hourly rate of 50$, which is more than most jobs pay

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What is your earn rate in PTBB to be making $50 an hour at 50NL even 8 tabling. It's gotta be almost 10 doesn't it?

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50$ is just a random number I threw out, but let us assume 5ptbb/100 that is the same as 5$/100, so with eight tables you are nearing 800 hands/hr or nearing 40$/hr

Which is nice enough ... 7ptbb/100 seems to get close to 50$

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spacegravy holla

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FYP

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Poker=Not as easy as you'd think

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I play much higher live, but just recently (mid-Feb.) got into seriously playing online, so I'm starting out low and forcing myself to grind my way up. Online plays WORLDS different than live....

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Only two weeks ago lost my entire online bankroll, and I'm starting small again to rebuild myself.

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People 8 table 2000NL

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BoostedJ plays 8+ HU 25/50 tables and posts in the forums at the same time. Some people are just machines like that.

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Jman 8 tables 200/400NL

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lots of people 8 table 50nl and do well in rake and bonuses alone,so why not
personally i think these people learn less so they cant move up to the higher limits as quickly as they want,as you get higher you need more imagination you cant have that playing on auto pilot

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What type of bankroll do you need to 8 table $50 NL?

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What type of bankroll do you need to 8 table $50 NL?

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The usual, wheter playing one or eigth tables makes no difference, you just play a lot more hands a lot faster, so winrate/risk of ruin consideration determines roll as if you where onetabling .

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bankroll and to learn the game from smaller limits upwards

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I play Micro Limits cause I don't have a bankroll for higher limits and my curent game isn't good enough to beat small stakes.