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I played the $10/$20 2-way (30 min. O/8 30 min. Stud/8) at the Borgata on Saturday. I've played this game at the Taj a few times, and each time there were a few good players in it. This was my first time playing it at the Borgata, and the game was ridiculously soft.

On the Omaha end, many folks seemed to play any 4, particularly any 4 that had an ace. Those that called pre-flop were pretty much in no fold mode.

A couple of highlights:

Board of 2-J-J-Q-K capped on the river between older man and younger man. Older man shows full house. Younger man shows A-3-4-7 and says he has a low. LOLZA.

Kill pot ($15/$30) raised before flop, I call in MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. 5 players. Flop 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Checked around. Turn is A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Checked to me (surprising), I bet, 4 callers(!). I curse to myself, figuring that my high is no good, my flush draw is probably no good, and my low draw is probably no good. River 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Other highlights are people calling down to river with Jack-high flushes, calling the river on a flush board with a straight, folks who play every hand (literally), irrespective of whether there is a pfr, yada yada.

Good game ... and the play in the Stud-8 part is just as bad.

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Niss, what do you buy in with for a game like that (factoring in the kill)? How often does it run?

This sounds like heaven, except for having to go to Borgata for it.

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Goldmine. Just sit and wait for hands and get paid off by non-nut chasers.

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Goldmine. Just sit and wait for hands and get paid off by non-nut chasers.

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This is pretty much dead on. I could see it getting very frustrating if you're card dead and watching monkeys take down pots with ridiculous hands, but as long as you can avoid that, it's a good game. Probably the softest game I've ever played in, at least it was on Saturday. And this was *not* my experience at the Taj, where the play was definitely better in my experience. Funny thing is there were 3 players at my table who I recognized from the Taj.

I bought in for $400 each time (I left for dinner).

I hear the game goes pretty frequently. When I got down there on Friday at 4 PM, there were two seats. We never had more than a seat open until I left at 1 AM.

Another funny thing was we had a dealer who also dealt the 100/200 Omaha game. He said the play at the 100/200 is worse than the play at the 10/20.

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Good game ... and the play in the Stud-8 part is just as bad.

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without a doubt. Burt (silver haired organizer is decent), others are generally brain dead. i got to AC on Sunday, but ended up playing the $5/$10 at the Taj instead. booked wins in O8, as well as small wins in NLHE and Stud-Hi... realized live O8 is rigged when someone rivered quads on my top set, and then my nut flush losing to a rivered fullhouse on the very next hand.

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without a doubt. Burt (silver haired organizer is decent), others are generally brain dead. i got to AC on Sunday, but ended up playing the $5/$10 at the Taj instead. booked wins in O8, as well as small wins in NLHE and Stud-Hi... realized live O8 is rigged when someone rivered quads on my top set, and then my nut flush losing to a rivered fullhouse on the very next hand.

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Burt's a pretty funny guy, he's always got some amusing stories. And the other guys there are all pretty awful. Although since I tend to get counterfeited a lot, I usually buy in for 600, with a tray of whites to build castles with when the play slows to a crawl.

As far as I know, the game goes pretty regularly even on weekdays.

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My feeling on Burt is that he is very loose pre-flop and then tries to bully people out of hands whenever possible. His flaw is that he has trouble laying down a hand after he's pulled this act, when he should know that he's beaten. Accurate?

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What time did the game go on Saturday?

I called from my car on the GSP and put my name on the list and was 5th I was afraid the game wasn't going to go for a while so I opted to play in the 5/10 O8 game at the Taj and got in that game right away. That game was equally good.

There were 2 2-ways going at the the Taj but the main game had a pretty strong lineup.

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Sorry, I lied. I played the game on Friday.

Did not know you could call ahead and put your name on the list.

My experience with the 2-way at the Taj is that there are always at least a few people who know what they're doing. This Borgata game bore little resemblance to that.

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I got a very nice guy on the phone who put me on the list. Maybe I was just lucky that time [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Yes the Taj 2-way does have some heavy hitters. That game usually is good late Sat night/Early Sun morning the times I have sat in it. Daytime usually sucks.

The Borg 2-way game has alot of the players I used to play with in the old Taj 10/20 2-way. Burt of course was one of them. There are others.....lots of em.

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I'd agree he's a loose preflop, but I've not seen it hurt him too much considering the rest of the players are looser. From what I've seen he tends to make pretty good decisions postflop. He's definitely more aggressive than the other players. He's also much better at the stud8.

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Just outta curiosity guys, how good at Stud-8 do you have to be to be able to play in this game?? I've played Stud-8 a handful of times and I have a very basic understanding of the game...Would that hurt you in a 2-way game like this? Doesn't seem like it would, but was just curious...I'm hoping to get a summer internship in Cherry Hill for the summer and wouldn't mind going down to AC every weekend to earn a little extra scratch for my last year of my MBA...

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I don't think that will hurt you. You just will have to pick your spots and not be pushed around.

You may want to catch up on your reading before sitting in the game. I found Ray Zee's Book on Stud8 to be extremely helpful. I also suggest looking at old 2+2 posts and do a search on RGP for anything relevant.

Also check out the action in the 10/20 and 30/60 games on Poker Stars. Sitting on the rail you can follow along with how hands are evolved/played out.

There's always the 3/6 2-way at the Taj if you need a live refresher in Stud8. That game usually goes on the weekends.

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I second the Ray Zee sentiment. As good as his book is for LO8, it is as good for Stud 8. I think a good once over of the Stud 8 part is all you need to play better than 80% of the table.

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Thanks NJChick and Niss...Didn't know that there was an actual Stud-8 book out there...I've read the Brunson part in SS2, which I thought was pretty decent to get a basic understanding...Good call on the rail of the Stud-8 games on Stars NJChick, never thought of that one...I rail the 30/60 LO8 game, never thought of doing that for Stud-8...Glad to see me thinking...LOL...But glad to hear a basic understanding would make me better than 80% of the people there...YUM YUM!!!

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The Brunson section alone will put you above 80% of the table. The Zee book should put you above the rest. Good luck to you this summer. If you see someone with an abundant amount of white chips in intricate geometric patterns at the table, please say hello.

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I played the Borgata two way on Saturday afternoon from 4 until 8. The game was very good. People seemed to be playing stud/8 even worse than Omaha/8. I made almost 3BB/hr.

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I buy in for $400.

The strange thing is that only the Omaha/8 is played with a half-kill (when someone scoops a $150 pot). Stud/8 is played without a kill. The game changes with the dealer. Unless there is a kill in O/8, then the game stays O/8 until the kill comes off.

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I played the Borgata two way on Saturday afternoon from 4 until 8. The game was very good. People seemed to be playing stud/8 even worse than Omaha/8. I made almost 3BB/hr.

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Funny that you say the game is good at 3 BB/hr. I made 6 BB/hr on Friday. LOLZA.

Edited to correct horrible math.

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Will do, will do man...At least I'll know who to stay away from at the table...

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Burt's a pretty funny guy, he's always got some amusing stories. And the other guys there are all pretty awful.

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weird, ive never laughed at anything burts ever said. not ever. and you can include him in the awful category.

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Does this game run only one weekends? If I were to go on a Thursday afternoon would I find anything in the 5/10 to 20/40 range for this mixed game, stud8 or omaha8? Stud hi?

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It started today at like 3pmish. 10-20

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Cool beans. I'll be there on the Thurs the 19th after I check in over at the Trump Marina. Anyone in the game feel free to say "hi" to the clevage. :P [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Plan on playing the Tropicana Friday and Sat. Anyone know about the hi/lo game selection over there? I hear how it's about as soft as it gets on weekends. Would be nice to find plenty of action around 10/20 and 20/40 stud/8 and omaha/8 - especially the stud/8.

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Cool beans. I'll be there on the Thurs the 19th after I check in over at the Trump Marina. Anyone in the game feel free to say "hi" to the clevage. :P [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Plan on playing the Tropicana Friday and Sat. Anyone know about the hi/lo game selection over there? I hear how it's about as soft as it gets on weekends. Would be nice to find plenty of action around 10/20 and 20/40 stud/8 and omaha/8 - especially the stud/8.

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cleavage?

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I play in that borgata a lot of weekends(probably have played with a few of you in the past) and agree its a pretty soft game and most of the players at the game i recognize. Anyone seen the older asian woman at that game? Probably in her forty's, short hair and has an accent(which probably won't help), she is very loose and there a lot. Once heard her say that she likes to see a flop with any pair in her hand.

Omaha side is very passive. With the exception of very few players most flops can be seen for 1 bet with hardly any raising at all preflop.

I'm pretty sure this game goes off just about everyday but breaks around Midnight or 1:00am during the week. I occasionally go during the week for the NLHE 7pm tourn then play in this game if i bust out of the tournament.
I'll agree that the game at the taj is tougher but keep in mind it is also a differnt game. The taj game is not 10/20 like the borgata but instead 15/30/45, no kill either game.

Anyone interested about buyin, i usually buy into the borgata game with 500.

Someone mentioned the fact that omaha is a half kill at the borgata but no kill on the stud side. Form what i understand is there is some kind of rule/law in ac or something that says ONLY flop games are allowed to have kills.

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I play in that borgata a lot of weekends(probably have played with a few of you in the past) and agree its a pretty soft game and most of the players at the game i recognize. Anyone seen the older asian woman at that game? Probably in her forty's, short hair and has an accent(which probably won't help), she is very loose and there a lot. Once heard her say that she likes to see a flop with any pair in her hand.

Omaha side is very passive. With the exception of very few players most flops can be seen for 1 bet with hardly any raising at all preflop.

I'm pretty sure this game goes off just about everyday but breaks around Midnight or 1:00am during the week. I occasionally go during the week for the NLHE 7pm tourn then play in this game if i bust out of the tournament.
I'll agree that the game at the taj is tougher but keep in mind it is also a differnt game. The taj game is not 10/20 like the borgata but instead 15/30/45, no kill either game.

Anyone interested about buyin, i usually buy into the borgata game with 500.

Someone mentioned the fact that omaha is a half kill at the borgata but no kill on the stud side. Form what i understand is there is some kind of rule/law in ac or something that says ONLY flop games are allowed to have kills.

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That Asian lady is just silly. I've seen better opponents than her at the play money tables. I suck too, but anytime she's there, rest assured you're not the worst at the table.

Not sure about the rule in AC about kill pots in stud, but generally it doesn't make sense since there's nowhere for the kill blind to go.

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Burt's a pretty funny guy, he's always got some amusing stories. And the other guys there are all pretty awful.

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weird, ive never laughed at anything burts ever said. not ever. and you can include him in the awful category.

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He is also a pain in the ass -- talks too loudly, too much and about absolutely nothing. Best to sit away from him

Good action though.

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Burt's a pretty funny guy, he's always got some amusing stories. And the other guys there are all pretty awful.

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weird, ive never laughed at anything burts ever said. not ever. and you can include him in the awful category.

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He is also a pain in the ass -- talks too loudly, too much and about absolutely nothing. Best to sit away from him

Good action though.

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agreed
i dont understand how people consider him a good player.

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Anyone play the 2-way this past weekend?

Just curious since I was at the Taj playing O8.

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No, but I'll be there this coming weekend.

How was the game(s) at the Taj?

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yea man I was watching this game while I was playing 1/2NL at the Borg and it looked so soft I considered playing in it. This game is +++++EV. Its full of regs during the week tho, but they are all pretty soft it seems

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Taj 5/10 O8 game is usually good. This past Saturday was pretty decent.

I'll make it over to the Borg one of these days, but there were 3 5/10 O8 games filled with donaters and its really hard to pry myself away from that right now.

Trip report from your 2-way gig on Sat would be nice!

NJC

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I am specifically interested in the TAJ 2 way game.
The structure is 15/30/45 Stud 8/O8.

Does anyone have any information concerning the game and the regular players in the game - especially any information on the strong players?

Thank you

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I mostly play in the TAJ 2way game (15/30/45 Stud 8/Omaha 8), but I only play about two times a month, mostly on weekdays.

Regulars are Doc, Robin, Ron, Dave, Jack, Gerry, Carlos, Alberto, Gene, JJ, Kathy, Reggie, Jules, Brian, Ricky, and two Sandy's. I think Robin and Dave have given me the most trouble. Robin and Carlos are both pretty aggressive. Robin's dad was a famous bridge player, Norman Kay. Chris Reslock shows up from time to time.

Gloria and Eleanor are great for the game, but aren't there enough. Irv was a real live one, but got himself booted from all casinos. I used to be a pretty regular winner in this game last year when these three were in the game a lot.

It is a very friendly game, and most people like each other, except for Ricky.

Effen

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I mostly play in the TAJ 2way game (15/30/45 Stud 8/Omaha 8), but I only play about two times a month, mostly on weekdays.

Regulars are Doc, Robin, Ron, Dave, Jack, Gerry, Carlos, Alberto, Gene, JJ, Kathy, Reggie, Jules, Brian, Ricky, and two Sandy's. I think Robin and Dave have given me the most trouble. Robin and Carlos are both pretty aggressive. Robin's dad was a famous bridge player, Norman Kay. Chris Reslock shows up from time to time.

Gloria and Eleanor are great for the game, but aren't there enough. Irv was a real live one, but got himself booted from all casinos. I used to be a pretty regular winner in this game last year when these three were in the game a lot.

It is a very friendly game, and most people like each other, except for Ricky.

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Pretty good assessment fortunately for us NL players Doc has been playing 2-5 and 5-10 recently. We even talked Gloria into sitting 5-10 long enough to dump a buyin. They must be getting a little short on donaters. WTF did Irv do?

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TAJ 2way game (15/30/45 Stud 8/Omaha 8)
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WTF did Irv do?

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Apparently Irv had a very bad day and signed the paperwork to get himself banned from all casinos in AC. I am not sure if this was a bad day at table poker or on the casino floor. I haven't seen his friend, Kenny, since Irv banned himself.

I forgot to mention Jacob, who is good at putting the whole table on tilt, but isn't a regular. Also, Lucy, who is LAG.

By my count, you are the 12th poster here that plays at the Taj. I haven't figured out the B&M identity of any of you. It should be pretty easy to figure out who I am from my posts. There are a lot of fairly solid players in the 15/30/45 game. I would not say the same about the 5/10 game. Easy money, but not as interesting. No actual poker takes place in that game.

Effen

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Apparently Irv had a very bad day and signed the paperwork to get himself banned from all casinos in AC. I am not sure if this was a bad day at table poker or on the casino floor. I haven't seen his friend, Kenny, since Irv banned himself.


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Kenny was sitting in the 5/10 O8 game with me 3 weeks ago. He was having a very bad session. I saw him this past Sat in the 15/30/45 game. But you are right, I used to see him attched to the hip with Irv in the 2-way.

Speaking of Irv, his self imposed ban on playing in AC has reverberated all the way up the Jersey Coast to where I live in West End Beach where it was discussed en masse on the 5:33p NJCL train out of Penn Station. Small world.

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which one was irv again?

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Irv was a regular in both the Taj 2-way and the Borg 2-way. A really nice guy too.